7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine

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RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - ErikT - 07-10-2013

Drove down to Göran yesterday to pick up my pump and also collect some others.
I had a great time, so thank you Göran!

Mine's for a G W461 with 617A. Looking forward to try it.

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RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - winmutt - 07-10-2013

TSA must have done some serious fondling LOL

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Domino81 - 07-17-2013

Does anybody know at which turbo pressure (bar, psi) does the external ALDA valve open to deliver more fuel in dieselmeken's 140cc 7,5mm?

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 07-17-2013

(07-17-2013, 06:56 AM)Domino81 Does anybody know at which turbo pressure (bar, psi) does the external ALDA valve open to deliver more fuel in dieselmeken's 140cc 7,5mm?

Start at 0,3 and make max a b1- 1,5 bar

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - yankneck696 - 07-18-2013

I need to get some paper towels....

Ed

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Domino81 - 07-18-2013

Strangely my ALDA actuator starts working @ about 2 bar - but it wansn't tested under load.. just free neutral revs..

Will test and let you know the outcome, If the same thing happens under load as well, than I assume exchanging it for a different one shouldn't be a rocket science?

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RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - maxypriest - 07-18-2013

A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 07-19-2013

(07-18-2013, 05:59 PM)maxypriest A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max

230cc pr 1000 element stroke Wink

(07-18-2013, 05:59 PM)maxypriest A basic question here... Apologies.

Does a '230cc' fuel pump move 230cc of fuel per cylinder per 1000 engine strokes?

Max

230cc pr 1000 element stroke Wink

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - HaavardPYA - 07-19-2013

Pr cylinder or all 6 cylinders total?

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Turbo - 07-19-2013

Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 07-21-2013

(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?

I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Turbo - 07-22-2013

The Herlevi make 270cc fuel up to 6800rpm, if your 280CC pump can make full fuel up to 7000rpm it would be very interesting, please update us how it goes

(07-21-2013, 09:09 PM)dieselmeken
(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - maxypriest - 07-23-2013

Goran – when you modify the pumps (8.0mm RS203) does the throttle lever on the pump move in a greater arc than compared with standard?
I ask as I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.
Regards,
Max

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - mantahead - 07-23-2013

(07-23-2013, 08:36 AM)maxypriest Goran – when you modify the pumps (8.0mm RS203) does the throttle lever on the pump move in a greater arc than compared with standard?
I ask as I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.
Regards,
Max

hi,
yea you will need more travel, i would think.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - HoleshotHolset - 07-26-2013

(07-23-2013, 08:36 AM)maxypriest ...I have adapted the standard NA 606 mechanism for a turbo 606 intake, wondering if I need to make its range greater.

I did the same thing on my build...

Beers,

Matt

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - jeemu - 07-27-2013

(07-22-2013, 02:58 AM)Turbo The Herlevi make 270cc fuel up to 6800rpm, if your 280CC pump can make full fuel up to 7000rpm it would be very interesting, please update us how it goes

(07-21-2013, 09:09 PM)dieselmeken
(07-19-2013, 01:48 PM)Turbo Some body here know how fare up in rpm Dieselmekens "280cc" pump can deliver?
I know!
Tests in bench shows full fuel up to 6000 rpm so far, not ready yet
One 8mm 242cc 5cyl for OM605 did 7000rpm, that engine goes up in dyno around September-October
After vacation the 280 goes to pieces again, new set of elements vill go in it.
Moore to come, stay tuned.

Injection pump it self is not the whole thing.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 07-28-2013

(07-27-2013, 03:23 PM)jeemu Injection pump it self is not the whole thing.

Soo true! You must burn it aswell Big Grin

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 09-06-2013

New serie 7,5mm to the left & 8,0mm to the right. Arrived today, quality looks very good, quality test up next.
I come back with som results later on.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - hooblah - 09-06-2013

Oh new series? What are the differences compared to the last series?

When will they likely be ready?

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 09-06-2013

Looks very good, is this from the new suplyer you was telling me about?

Only one week left, and this badass of a pump wil be tested Big Grin

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - 300SD_KY - 01-21-2014

need a Goran super-pump for my 1979 300SD.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - F.R.A.S - 01-23-2014

Dieselmeken is really the go to guy when it comes to driveable pumps. We have one 8mm 242cc and one 8mm 180cc on the dyno before summer. Both curtesy of Göran!

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - baldur - 02-03-2014

Anyone care to elaborate what the flow figure quoted means? When someone says a 242cc pump, obviously it's not 242cc of fuel per injection event, but what is it?

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 02-03-2014

242cc means it is flowing 242cc after 1000 element stroke.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 04-28-2014

The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZriCc&feature=youtu.be

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Turbo - 04-28-2014

how high in rpm can it withhold that delivering?

(04-28-2014, 11:10 AM)dieselmeken The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZriCc&feature=youtu.be

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 05-03-2014

(04-28-2014, 02:48 PM)Turbo how high in rpm can it withhold that delivering?

(04-28-2014, 11:10 AM)dieselmeken The 8 mm was OK in design and have worked OK in Engines, November 2013 a new element started to be designed, Now its ready and tested, 250cc of fuel, very good result.
Also a new improved 7,5mm 140cc is in da house, to be tested soon.
These elements can soon be purchased from me, How about that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJM2ASZriCc&feature=youtu.be

First tryout in testbench was 220cc @2,5bar inlet pressure 2800rpm (5600 Engine rpm), 1500rpm pump did 250cc, its a improvment anyway.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 06-26-2014

http://youtu.be/83oaTB98VkA

Now I have reached the end,i dont Think the M-pump can do much Moore than this. Stroked camshaft,1mm higher lift, 17mm rollers, 8 mm element, cut deliveryvalves. almost 300cc with 210bar testinjectors, This is Black Smoke Racings pump for their OM606DI Project.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Turbo - 06-26-2014

so High up in rpm can it hold that delivery?
and what is the target price

(06-26-2014, 02:56 PM)dieselmeken http://youtu.be/83oaTB98VkA

Now I have reached the end,i dont Think the M-pump can do much Moore than this. Stroked camshaft,1mm higher lift, 17mm rollers, 8 mm element, cut deliveryvalves. almost 300cc with 210bar testinjectors, This is Black Smoke Racings pump for their OM606DI Project.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - MFSuper90 - 06-26-2014

So whats next?
adapt a 12mm P7100 to a om606? Big Grin

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Gearbound - 06-26-2014

adapt the 12mm p7100 to my ALH TDI jetta as well Smile

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 06-27-2014

(06-26-2014, 05:00 PM)MFSuper90 So whats next?
adapt a 12mm P7100 to a om606?

Yes. Thats the Winter Project.

After that I go for the commonrail conversion.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - DiseaselWeasel - 06-27-2014

Are there any different requirements for injection pump for DI over IDI?

Will be interessting to see how the SuperStroker works with stroked DI engine Smile

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 06-27-2014

(06-27-2014, 03:19 AM)DiseaselWeasel Are there any different requirements for injection pump for DI over IDI?

Will be interessting to see how the SuperStroker works with stroked DI engine

You need a quicker injection time in DI Engine, Distributor pumps type Bosch VE is quicker, but cant deliver this amount of fuel I Think. It will work, question is how much Power they will get, I doubt that it will give Moore Power than the IDI Engine, but I have done what i could whit this m-pump.

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - DiseaselWeasel - 06-27-2014

Thank you! So that's why Mercedes used VE pump on DI OM602 (290TD).

If it solves overheating problems and prevents pistons from melting, I think they are a huge step forwards in terms of reliability Smile

RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Spoolin - 09-08-2016

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