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OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 09-29-2010
The Subject line says it all. I'm trying to determine if a transmission, or say a custom transmission adapter kit, designed for an OM617 will work with an OM606.
The other question I have is whether the crankshaft bolt pattern for bolting up the flywheel or flexplate is the same.
Many thanks!
Cheers,
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - aaa - 09-29-2010
Different bellhousing. I think there are less flywheel-crank bolts too. The flywheel-flexplate-transmission bolts are the same.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - Jtn190D - 09-30-2010
I think it's the same as the om601/02/03 engines.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 09-30-2010
Dang it.
I'd like to buy and build an automatic prior to the swap to reduce downtime. The bummer is that 722.608 cores are rare and spendy - so I was hoping to run a GM transmission to solve that problem AND allow me to turn the wick up on the engine later down the road. Not to mention once I ditch the car due to rust/rot, I could put the engine and GM transmission in just about anything.
Thanks for your input, guys!
Back to the drawing board...
Cheers,
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 10-01-2010
Is the M104.995 or M112.941 compatible with the OM606 bellhousing pattern?
Thanks,
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - 300D50 - 10-01-2010
Happen to have the intermediate plate from between the block and the trans? It should be as simple as creating a hybrid intermediate that has the 60X block pattern on one side, and the 61X trans pattern on the other.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - Jtn190D - 10-01-2010
(10-01-2010, 09:58 AM)HoleshotHolset Is the M104.995 or M112.941 compatible with the OM606 bellhousing pattern?
Thanks,
Matt
I believe all the engines up to 99 shared the same bellhousing.
If I'm wrong someone correct me please.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 10-01-2010
Check out this picture URL:
http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Mercedes%20diesel%20kit.jpg
This bolts right to the engine with no intermediate plate...so if the OM617 and OM606 are the same pattern on the block...I will be golden.
Cheers,
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - 300D50 - 10-01-2010
Give me a few to check that pic, I've been up to my ears in 617 intermediate plates this month...
EDIT:
Looks to be the same, but doesn't seem to use the top 2 mounting bolt locations. from what I can see.
From a cursory glance the 12mm dowel holes are in the same place as well, as are the mounting locations to the cast bottom pan.
I'd say you're golden!
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - aaa - 10-01-2010
I don't think the om60x has an intermediate plate, you're kinda stuck with whatever bellhousing it comes with.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - 300D50 - 10-01-2010
Whoops, I thought that kit was for a 606...
I guess all I did was confirm it was for the intended 617.. :/
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 10-04-2010
Bummer.
In the meantime, I've been emailing a few folks selling bad OM606 engines on craigslist. I'm hoping to find one for a few hundred bucks so I can have the folks in MN make a CAD/CAM file of the OM606 bellhousing and crankshaft pattern...then making an adapter plate will be a walk in the park.
Cheers,
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 10-04-2010
OK - I managed to find an OM606 out of a '96 E300 with a bad block. I'm waiting on pics in the meantime.
Is it a fairly safe assumption that this NA OM606 and my turbocharged OM606.962 will be identical as far as the engine block's bolt pattern at the bellhousing and the crankshaft flange where it bolts to the flexplate/flywheel...?
Your input on this would be most appreciated.
Thanks!
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - aaa - 10-04-2010
Extremely likely. Hell I would have settled for measuring an om603. Or that om601 that was lying outside of car I saw that past weekend at the JY. Better yet I took the om601 flywheel with me.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - E300TSC - 10-04-2010
I'm pretty sure the OM602,603,606 blocks are all the same from the middle, back.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 10-06-2010
Attached is a picture taken by the seller of the junk NA OM606 engine I'm probably going to buy. The OM606 has the bellhousing cast right into the block...it also has an interesting flywheel/flexplate combo.
Cheers,
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - 300D50 - 10-06-2010
If you can get me the front part of a bellhousing, I can probe it out and get a good housing pattern.
Would be up to you to get the exact crank position though.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 10-06-2010
(10-06-2010, 02:43 PM)300D50 If you can get me the front part of a bellhousing, I can probe it out and get a good housing pattern.
Would be up to you to get the exact crank position though.
Thanks for the offer! Do you have access to a CMM setup?
I was thinking of using a vertical mill with a DRO to come up with some measurements.
Cheers,
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - 300D50 - 10-06-2010
I currently have access to a CMM, just need something that's clean and easily fixtured.
A DRO and an edge finder would work as well, would just need to do the math to get a center point for each hole. Autocad can import points from a spreadsheet in that case, and you can best-fit most of the holes. The critical ones are the dowels, so those should be pinned for diameter/measured with micrometers as well. You can do a good estimate of the crank using only the housing pattern, it's just a bit difficult to explain.
I'd do the probe for nothing since I'm interested in adapting a 60x to my Mitsubishi trans at some point, you'd need to pick up the tab on shipping though.
It all boils down to what is easiest for you.
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - HoleshotHolset - 10-07-2010
Cool - thanks for the offer. It sounds like you have access to some neat equipment.
I'm thinking of trying this for a rudimentary CMM:
http://www.david-laserscanner.com/
Cheers,
Matt
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - 300D50 - 10-07-2010
Sweet! That looks like a very interesting program..
Now if only it ran in Linux, I'd port it to my phone...
RE: OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617? - cjcosta - 12-29-2010
(10-07-2010, 07:42 AM)300D50 Sweet! That looks like a very interesting program..
Now if only it ran in Linux, I'd port it to my phone...
Any news in this project?
Best Regards