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617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-20-2011
Yup. My car with the hy35 pulls way harder 2800-5500 than stock turbo at the same boost.
RE: 1999 W210 HX-35 performance - gen3performance - 02-20-2011
How are you revving 5500?
RE: 1999 W210 HX-35 performance - dieselboy - 02-21-2011
(02-20-2011, 05:27 PM)ForcedInduction He isn't.
Im not?
I'm pretty sure that I can actually hit 5750.
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RE: 1999 W210 HX-35 performance - ForcedInduction - 02-21-2011
(02-21-2011, 12:09 AM)dieselboy Im not?Right, you're not. The governor will not let the engine go above 4800rpm while loaded. Neutral revving and 1st gear isn't "pulling hard to 5500".
RE: 1999 W210 HX-35 performance - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
(02-21-2011, 02:36 PM)ForcedInduction(02-21-2011, 12:09 AM)dieselboy Im not?Right, you're not. The governor will not let the engine go above 4800rpm while loaded. Neutral revving and 1st gear isn't "pulling hard to 5500".
here a video i did this morning for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=P_SMgY-PUgE
RE: 1999 W210 HX-35 performance - Captain America - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 12:03 AM)dieselboy(02-21-2011, 02:36 PM)ForcedInduction(02-21-2011, 12:09 AM)dieselboy Im not?Right, you're not. The governor will not let the engine go above 4800rpm while loaded. Neutral revving and 1st gear isn't "pulling hard to 5500".
here a video i did this morning for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=P_SMgY-PUgE
Holy Jesus!
RE: 1999 W210 HX-35 performance - garage - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 12:03 AM)dieselboy(02-21-2011, 02:36 PM)ForcedInduction(02-21-2011, 12:09 AM)dieselboy Im not?Right, you're not. The governor will not let the engine go above 4800rpm while loaded. Neutral revving and 1st gear isn't "pulling hard to 5500".
here a video i did this morning for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=P_SMgY-PUgE
AWESOME!
RE: 1999 W210 HX-35 performance - ForcedInduction - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 12:03 AM)dieselboy here a video i did this morning for you
Your tachometer is incorrect. The instant jump and twitching should be pretty obvious clues there is an electrical problem.
As you can see by the chart you're barely touching 5000rpm, pretty easy to do in 3rd if given flat or slightly declining road.
RE: 1999 W210 HX-35 performance - yankneck696 - 02-25-2011
Kinda looked like a downshift to me. Cool vid....
Ed
RE: 617 5500rpm - winmutt - 02-25-2011
Really people taking threads so far OT makes a mess of useful information for others. Please continue your discussion politely.
RE: 617 5500rpm - Biohazard - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 07:49 AM)yankneck696 Kinda looked like a downshift to me. Cool vid....
Ed
Agree. It looks like you have a "kick-down" switch on you shifter. You can see the reflection of your hand in the tach cover when you hit it at the begining and end of the video. Thats pretty damn sweet!!
RE: 617 5500rpm - Captain America - 02-25-2011
Kickdown or no kickdown, what does it matter? He was accelerating... doesn't matter if he's going up or down a hill, he definitly wasn't coasting and gaining gaining speed like that. RPM is RPM!
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
I manually put it in 3rd and you can see the speedo go to 85mph in 3rd.
RE: 617 5500rpm - Biohazard - 02-25-2011
Do you have any EGT or boost readings doing that? Were you able to hit that RPM with just pulling rack limiter and adjusting the full-load? Thats amazing!
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
20-21 psi of boost 1050 egt lol. I dont have the pyro mounted yet but I ghetto'd it to check it and make sure I wasn't nuking it.
Oh and that was Actually a slight uphill on the freeway.
Forced car to explain that chart? I think I'm reading it right as the white =1st and goes to 65kmh
135@5400rpm if you pause the video.
The chart needs to show rpm I'm every gear related to speed.
RE: 617 5500rpm - Biohazard - 02-25-2011
Holy crap, thats just epic!! Thanks for the info!
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-25-2011
(02-20-2011, 04:17 PM)dieselboy Yup. My car with the hy35 pulls way harder 2800-5500 than stock turbo at the same boost.
Its been conclusively proven by both your video and MB factory data that your tachometer is faulty.
And FYI; 18 seconds to go from 70-85 is not "pulling hard".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=P_SMgY-PUgE
Seriously, it takes me only 8 seconds to do the same, in 4th gear.
This thread is a lame trolling attempt at best. Try harder next time and get your facts straight.
(02-25-2011, 01:17 PM)dieselboy The chart needs to show rpm I'm every gear related to speed.Theres a map for that.
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
Uh the tach is not wrong you are. And yes if I shift at 5 it does pull harder but that was just to show you that it does indeed pull over 4800 rpm.
I'll do another video then.
Edit: 5347rpm in 3rd says 140kmh. Um pause the video and I'd say it's perfect according to your chart there.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 03:03 PM)dieselboy Uh the tach is not wrong you are.NUH UH, U R!!!1! Sorry, your kiddie game doesn't work here. Factual data does and your own video shows your tach has electrical problems.
Quote:And yes if I shift at 5 it does pull harderSo please remind everyone, whats the point of your "I can revv to 5500rpm" game if you yourself say its slower than shifting at the correct RPM before the governor reduces fuel? You're pretty much saying "I can piss 8 feet even though the toilet is only 2 feet away.".
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
What'd your deal man? There is proof that your chart matches my rpm in the given gear within 100rpm!
And yes the tach does randomly not work but when it does work it's within 100rpm as showed by your charts.
By not working I mean it will drop to zero and not move.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 03:16 PM)dieselboy By not working I mean it will drop to zero and not move.As well as jump several hundred RPM and randomly twitching. Please try to be honest and tell the entire story.
Oh, and this guy could revv his 300SD to 5700rpm back in 2006.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BrXiGJQsiM
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
Again look at your charts and the video.
Hard govenor is 5750ish.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 03:26 PM)dieselboy Hard govenor is 5750ish.Incorrect, 5500rpm is the hard cut (zero fuel) with 5200rpm the governed maximum.
Please answer my previous question; "So please remind everyone, whats the point of your "I can revv to 5500rpm" game if you yourself say its slower than shifting at the correct RPM before the governor reduces fuel?"
Answer: Wasting time baiting.
Who cares if you can revv to 5500rpm? That adjustment takes 30 seconds with the governor cover off. I've done it too, it raises the RPM before the governor starts to cut fuel so the engine can get full power up to its 5000rpm redline. Only, the smart people don't overspeed their engine afterwards....
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
Again you said that I'm not Reving over 4800 rpm you said that my tach is off you said that it won't make any power over 4800 with a load.
So I did a video showing that's false and then you try to show charts ad other crap but accordin to your charts it's all correct proving yourself wrong.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 03:50 PM)dieselboy Again you said that I'm not Reving over 4800 rpmThat was correct.
Quote:you said that my tach is offThat is correct. You should fix it.
Quote:you said that it won't make any power over 4800 with a load.You proved that yourself.
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
What? Again look at the video and your charts. It proves you are wrong.
Quit trying to edit your previous posts too.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 04:16 PM)dieselboy What? Again look at the video and your charts. It proves I am wrong.What problem is there then. Try reading the charts and using a conversion tool instead of guessing at the KPH-MPH conversion.
Quote:I'll try to quit trying to edit your previous posts too.Thanks.
This troll's thread is dead. I've got better things to do with my life than argue with a boy.
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
Uh it's obvious you have a problem with admitting you are wrong.
If you watch the video an compare it to the chart that you posted everything us correct for me to be reving to 5500 rpm and the speedo even has kmh on it so you can pause it look at the chart and see that the tach is indeed correct to the speed and gear.
I've not once edited one of your quotes. And I've not once edited a post without showing what I edited.
FYI according to your information I am actually older than you so respect the elders!!!
I you read the very first post it says "pulls harder than stock 2800-5500" and thats correct.
Now If my tach is the 700rpm off you say it is then I'm idling at 1400rpm and making full boost by 2100rpm. That's not correct at all. Go back to you little make belief world.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ConnClark - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 04:57 PM)dieselboy Uh it's obvious you have a problem with admitting you are wrong.
If you watch the video an compare it to the chart that you posted everything us correct for me to be reving to 5500 rpm and the speedo even has kmh on it so you can pause it look at the chart and see that the tach is indeed correct to the speed and gear.
I've not once edited one of your quotes. And I've not once edited a post without showing what I edited.
FYI according to your information I am actually older than you so respect the elders!!!
I you read the very first post it says "pulls harder than stock 2800-5500" and thats correct.
Now If my tach is the 700rpm off you say it is then I'm idling at 1400rpm and making full boost by 2100rpm. That's not correct at all. Go back to you little make belief world.
you can settle this argument right now about the tach being off. What gear were you in? What is your rear diff?
Or we can just analyze the audio and tell how fast the engine is turning.
Edit: I guess we will need your tire size too
RE: 617 5500rpm - Biohazard - 02-25-2011
According to his signature, he has the 3.07 rear end and 245/50R16 tires. BUT, as long as its the stock diff/trans/speedo combination, it doesn't matter what tire size you have, the indicated speedo/rpm will read the same as before. But back to those graphs now... I've been looking at the video, and dieselboy is right. He is at the stated KPH (MPH) that the graph shows he should be at in 3rd gear. Right before he shifts back to 4th gear at the end of the video it shows just under 140KPH at just under 5500 RPM. Keeping in mind the camera is mounted low and at an angle, that still puts him spot on for both the charts that FI posted. Doing the math, 140KPH works out to just about 5400 RPM even. Even if you figure for the camera angle, that still looks right.
RE: 617 5500rpm - yankneck696 - 02-25-2011
Me n' Jethro ciphered it out & I think that Dieselboy is right.... Took 27 of our clansmen, but we gathered enough toes & fingers......
Ed
RE: 617 5500rpm - winmutt - 02-25-2011
(02-25-2011, 08:39 PM)Biohazard According to his signature, he has the 3.07 rear end and 245/50R16 tires. BUT, as long as its the stock diff/trans/speedo combination, it doesn't matter what tire size you have, the indicated speedo/rpm will read the same as before. But back to those graphs now... I've been looking at the video, and dieselboy is right. He is at the stated KPH (MPH) that the graph shows he should be at in 3rd gear. Right before he shifts back to 4th gear at the end of the video it shows just under 140KPH at just under 5500 RPM. Keeping in mind the camera is mounted low and at an angle, that still puts him spot on for both the charts that FI posted. Doing the math, 140KPH works out to just about 5400 RPM even. Even if you figure for the camera angle, that still looks right.
I know that I hit high 70s in third and then some. 2.88 205/60R15. 70-80 in my car is about 6 sec : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nREKAqKt1E
RE: 617 5500rpm - winmutt - 02-25-2011
Of course here we all are in comparison to this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7otPz_T_ONk&feature=autoplay&list=ULR2Tr1gXDUyw&index=13&playnext=4
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-25-2011
Thanks guys. I was going up a hill "under a load" to show that it will pull over 4800rpm oh and that's still faster than it would stock lol.
We will never get him to admit it though. I think the lack of oxygen in Colorado has side effects.
RE: 617 5500rpm - Jtn190D - 02-25-2011
"I think the lack of oxygen in Colorado has side effects"
^Great!
RE: 617 5500rpm - dieselboy - 02-26-2011
(02-25-2011, 11:28 PM)Jtn190D "I think the lack of oxygen in Colorado has side effects"
^Great!
Lol. It's a joke ya know. I think the lady that drove off with the tow truck driver dragging behind her suv was lacking oxygen too.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-26-2011
(02-25-2011, 10:15 PM)dieselboy I think the lack of oxygen in Colorado has side effects.That is why you earn the title of dieselboy. If you actually are older than me, try to act like an adult instead of slinging personal attacks like a monkey slinging its own feces.
RE: 617 5500rpm - 300D50 - 02-26-2011
Who needs Jerry when we have these threads?
RE: 617 5500rpm - Nick - 02-26-2011
Good lord.. Every thread where it seems we're all getting somewhere it turns into a big fight. Reminds me of high school..
Anyways, just from driving a 617 around for years and years on end, I'd like to say that it sure sounds like 5000+ RPM. Or maybe my speakers are having electrical problems too..
The world may never know.
RE: 617 5500rpm - stan - 02-26-2011
fuckin' engines, how do they worK?
RE: 617 5500rpm - yankneck696 - 02-26-2011
Suck, squeeze, bang & finally BOOM !!!
If he pushes his engine & it grenades, we then know what the limits are.
Without that knowledge, we do not know how far to go.
Ed
RE: 617 5500rpm - stan - 02-26-2011
(02-26-2011, 08:54 PM)yankneck696 Suck, squeeze, bang & finally BOOM !!!
sounds like my girlfriend
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-26-2011
(02-26-2011, 08:54 PM)yankneck696 Without that knowledge, we do not know how far to go.
Then we know 5700rpm is safe, care to try 6000rpm for us?
RE: 617 5500rpm - George3soccer - 02-27-2011
DO IT....
RE: 617 5500rpm - winmutt - 02-27-2011
(02-26-2011, 10:33 PM)ForcedInduction(02-26-2011, 08:54 PM)yankneck696 Without that knowledge, we do not know how far to go.
Then we know 5700rpm is safe, care to try 6000rpm for us?
Its been done.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-27-2011
(02-27-2011, 09:15 PM)winmutt Its been done.
Goodie, care to push it to 6200rpm or would you jump straight to 7000rpm for us?
RE: 617 5500rpm - winmutt - 02-27-2011
(02-27-2011, 09:50 PM)ForcedInduction(02-27-2011, 09:15 PM)winmutt Its been done.
Goodie, care to push it to 6200rpm or would you jump straight to 7000rpm for us?
Sorry, 5700 has been done I am pretty sure. Whats his name on Schumans with the w126 was revving past 5600. He is the only one I know that has successfully increased the max rpm.
RE: 617 5500rpm - ForcedInduction - 02-27-2011
(02-27-2011, 10:21 PM)winmutt He is the only one I know that has successfully increased the max rpm.
Increasing it is very easy. The problems are keeping the engine together and the torque converter ballooning from the extreme fluid pressure.
The flywheel on a manual is another issue completely, there is a LOT of energy in that mass and if it breaks apart it will do some massive damage to the car and your legs.
RE: 617 5500rpm - 300D50 - 02-27-2011
(02-27-2011, 10:25 PM)ForcedInduction Increasing it is very easy. The problems are keeping the engine together and the torque converter ballooning from the extreme fluid pressure.Makes me want a scatter blanket now... oh, wait, flywheel is 4 inches in front of the firewall for me!
The flywheel on a manual is another issue completely, there is a LOT of energy in that mass and if it breaks apart it will do some massive damage to the car and your legs.
Makes me wonder what my runaway 616 was doing when it nearly grenaded...
RE: 617 5500rpm - Captain America - 07-05-2011
I personally saw 5500 RPM this weekend. His car hauls ass!