My OM617 Build - Printable Version

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My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-11-2012

I've got the engine out of my '82 300D, eventually it will be mated to my '89 Ranger's drivetrain.

Here are the plans:
Ditch the GT2056V
Long tube exhaust
Holset HE351V
W115 Intake
A/A Intercooler

Progress:
Vac pump half removed, rack limiter removed, engine on a stand in the garage...

Pics to come...

RE: My OM617 Build - Captain America - 01-12-2012

Read the IP doc, before you remove the rack limiter.

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-12-2012

Unfortunately it was sent to me literally 15 minutes after I pulled the limiter. I don't think it's going to go back in easily. Sad

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-18-2012

Old turbo:

Old Intake:

New Turbo:
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RE: My OM617 Build - larsalan - 01-18-2012

If you really wanna serious turbo charger you'll need at least a 9v battery Wink

RE: My OM617 Build - Captain America - 01-19-2012

Wow was that thing in the ocean?

And some W/M injection? Sweet!

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-19-2012

Trimmed the vac pump housing today, now I've got to weld a plate onto it to make up a blockoff cap:

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-20-2012

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-21-2012

Brazed the vacuum bllockoff cap together today, now I've just got to clean it up with the grinder:

http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/aluminum-brazing-rods.html

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RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-24-2012

Where should I mount my turbo and what manifolds should I use?

I'm torn between piping the '78 N/A manifold with it's long runners to up near the alternator:

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or...use the crappy stock exhaust manifold and get a W115 intake one day:
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What do you guys think?

Also, I blocked off the heater return line to help with clearance issues :p
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RE: My OM617 Build - led-panzer - 01-24-2012

Mounting, supporting the weight, routing boost tubes, routing your exhaust, and making your oil drain will be much easier with it in the stock location.

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-29-2012

Lightly port matched the head tonight!

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RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-30-2012

I decided to pull the whole head so I could check the bores/ pistons/ prechambers and port the head. The bores are within ~0.0015" and everything looks great. Lightly ported the head, it's in the parts washer right now.

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Stock Valve Area:
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Modified Valve Area:
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RE: My OM617 Build - sassparilla_kid - 01-31-2012

I have a spare w123 and a spare '84 ranger in my backyard, now you have me considering a project like this! Im just not sure what the smog requirements/laws are in california about this sort of thing

RE: My OM617 Build - Rub87 - 01-31-2012

When would one estimate to spool this he351ve on this 5 zylinder? maybe its a good idea to make a 'stopscrew' to the vnt lever, to prevent it from fully closing (=exh brake mode)

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 01-31-2012

Once I have everything put together I will be posting prints for the adapter plate and bearing alignment plug. Just be sure to put a 1984 or 1985 om617a into the 84 ranger and you're fine.

We will see how the HE351V spools Big Grin

I have heard of people using it on 2.3L gas motors, so I should be able to use it with the 3.0L. I will be monitoring exhaust pressure as well as temperature.

Does anyone know what exhaust pressure the valves start to float?

RE: My OM617 Build - OM616 - 01-31-2012

(01-31-2012, 09:10 AM)Simpler=Better We will see how the HE351V spools I have heard of people using it on 2.3L gas motors, so I should be able to use it with the 3.0L. I will be monitoring exhaust pressure as well as temperature.

Does anyone know what exhaust pressure the valves start to float?

I picked up a HE351VE to put on my 617a some day. I have looked through some ricer forums and some have tried to use them, none were monitoring the EMP.

Looking at the turbine, I see how I would "recalibrate" the turbine housing so it spools quicker with less EMP. I like the larger turbine dia as it will produce more torque with less pressure, the trick is to make all the exhaust have to flow through the outer half to 1/3 of the turbine diameter. That is where the Pitched portion of the blades are which will generate the most torque, the center of the turbine basically just about free flows, so you have to depend on the "paddle wheel" effect from the VNT to get the turbine to spool, which results in High EMPs.

If it does not work as well as you would like, feel free to contact me. I spent some time at a turbine engine R&D company long ago now. I even thought of making a new turbine wheel just for the 617 application, but the cost would be too much.

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 02-01-2012

Anyone need parts from a Ford 1989 2.9L V6?

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RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 02-03-2012

How thick of a plate and what material would y'all recommend I make my adapter from?

RE: My OM617 Build - yankneck696 - 02-03-2012

(02-03-2012, 08:52 AM)Simpler=Better How thick of a plate and what material would y'all recommend I make my adapter from?

Measure it all using straight edges. You need to figure the stickout of the input shaft & an adapter for the throwout bearing. Do yourself a favor & get a small machinist ruler at Ace hardware for more precise measurements.

Ed

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 02-06-2012

Not much porgress lately, just cleaning stuff:

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RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 02-13-2012

Installed the OEM block heater today, along with a new main seal!

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RE: My OM617 Build - fte - 02-19-2012

I am guessing you are planing on using the Ranger flywheel, I was doing the same swap but in 2wd using a 240 flywheel, but it is too large to fit in the bell. I'm not sure you will be able to use the ranger flywheel due to the small diameter because the starter has to fit close to the block and if memeroy serves me correct there is not enough room. So the other option is a trans from the F150 and 300 6cly flywheel or 240 flywheel.

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 02-27-2012

Yeah I'm going to "have fun" adapting the flywheel. I think I will be making a frankenflywheel, the Ranger flywheel is definitely too small to just drill new holes.

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-11-2012

RE: My OM617 Build - Captain America - 03-12-2012

HOLY SHIT!

Lol! Big Grin

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-12-2012

Yeah my buddy had never been around a diesel with no pipes, much less a 617. Before we started the engine I warned him about the potential for a runaway diesel (since I had played with the pump while it was out). When it flared to life at "half throttle" he ran out thinking it was gonna blow Big Grin

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-14-2012

I can't decide on what I want to do for my turbo. I have the 2056V setup and ready to go, but that would limit me to ~18psi (which I'm confident I can supplement with methanol).

The HE351V will give me 25psi no problem, but I doubt I can dump enough methanol to burn the extra 10psi of air.

Thoughts?

**EDIT**
I'm going to run the 2056V and stock manifold for a while. Once I figure out my fueling situation I'll worry about more air.

RE: My OM617 Build - Captain America - 03-15-2012

Good idea. Check out how it runs with 18 psi first

RE: My OM617 Build - winmutt - 03-15-2012

HE351VE (88mm exducer) is HUGE compared to a 2056... Try out my HY30W instead Big Grin

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-19-2012

I got my head out of the clouds, I'll get it running, in the truck, and THEN worry about more air.

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RE: My OM617 Build - JustPassinThru - 03-22-2012

Is that a Toyo Kogyo 5-speed? Might know a customer...

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-23-2012

Where are you seeing a transmission? The trans I'm hoping to use in my conversion is a FM146 from an '89 Ranger

RE: My OM617 Build - JustPassinThru - 03-23-2012

Ah. My bad.

RE: My OM617 Build - fte - 03-24-2012

My 89 Ranger has the M5R1

RE: My OM617 Build - Robert_UAH - 03-26-2012

What are you using to get extra fuel to the feed that turbo?

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-27-2012

I decided to go back to the 2056V. I'm looking to push "14psi" of fuel with the stock pump and then add enough methanol to burn up an additional 4-5 psi of boost. If I get my hands on a super pump one day I'll upgrade to the Holset 351V. I'm hoping to finish porting the manifolds and rigging up the turbo lines by this weekend. The stock log exhaust manifold had some major imperfections-port #1 had a grape-sized obstruction.

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RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-27-2012

Playing with the GT2056V:

RE: My OM617 Build - Captain America - 03-28-2012

Sounding good!

RE: My OM617 Build - lgreeley83 - 03-28-2012

I like the white. Nice contrast to diry old and rusty.

RE: My OM617 Build - JustPassinThru - 03-28-2012

Pardon my ignorance, but, what's the purpose of all that tubing on the intake manifold?

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-28-2012

It's a port-injection methanol setup. Each runner has a bung welded on and a 1GPH sprayer nozzle attached internally.

RE: My OM617 Build - JustPassinThru - 03-28-2012

Ah, of course. Thanks! Hadn't had my morning coffee yet. How is the flow rate control accomplished, if I may be so bold?

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-28-2012

The nozzles are rated at 1GPH @ 100psi (I got them from McMaster-Carr for ~$7 each). My pump supposedly runs at a "constant" 120psi, so I'm leaving it to fluid mechanics to properly regulate.

RE: My OM617 Build - JustPassinThru - 03-28-2012

As I have no w/m injection experience at all, but do have a CoolingMist Cool250, bought from Craigslist, adjustable from 100 to 250 PSI depending on nozzle size, but set at 200 PSI from the factory...I am naturally hoping to learn from your experience!

RE: My OM617 Build - erling66 - 03-29-2012

Hi
Nice project. Did the methanol/water injection work fine? did you feel any increase in power with it? Mow much water vs methanol?

Are there anyone that runs a 617 with a HE351V? According to Forcedinduction it will be way to big and end up on the wrong side of the surge line? The 617 isn't exactly what you would call a race engine Dodgy

The VE is probably in the seventies?

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 03-29-2012

The HE351V has been run on Ford 2.3L motors (redline around 5,500) so I would assume that you could run it on a 617, you would just want to monitor your EMP and turbo RPM.

RE: My OM617 Build - yankneck696 - 03-29-2012

I would be willing to bet that with the proper fueling & setup, the HE351v would do just fine. FI was using a "FI tweaked" pump that may not have been optimal. With what we know now about pumps, I bet OM616 could make it work....

Ed

RE: My OM617 Build - Simpler=Better - 04-02-2012

I'm sreiously considering putting this into a Wrangler instead, IF I can find a cheap Wrangler. There's a CJ5 up here for $1k, no top.