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German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 05-26-2009
I am not sure if its cool to link to other sites or not, but I just got off the phone with a dude named Jergen at a place called Jaggi Import Export about rebuilding my extra 4-speed... Anyway, he was a really helpful dude and suggested that instead of shipping my spare trans to him (for a full rebuild), to inspect it first and see what (if anything) is wrong with it. He has a lot of parts on hand, but was pretty sure that if I needed any hard parts, he could source them direct from Germany... Anyway, here's their website:
http://www.jie.com/
again, I dont want to step on any toes, so if theres already a trans shop linked to this site, I appologize.
Josh
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - ForcedInduction - 05-26-2009
You should ask if he can upgrade the 722.3 automatics using the V12 parts.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - winmutt - 05-26-2009
(05-26-2009, 03:22 PM)SurfRodder again, I dont want to step on any toes, so if theres already a trans shop linked to thisWe don't play those silly reindeer games here. Classic parts can get them as well. I need plenty of parts for my 5spd. I have been waiting for a 4spd to show up at the junkyard before I pull mine apart. One of the other members is working on getting the teardown/rebuild instructions from MBZ I believe.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 05-26-2009
(05-26-2009, 05:57 PM)winmutt We don't play those silly reindeer games here.
well, that's a relief... I was afraid you were going to choose mad cow...
anyway, i still have to get around to tearing down the extra 4-speed to see if its worth swapping out for the other junker I finished installing last weekend.
I do have one question, does anyone have the part number for the proper pilot shaft bearing for the 300D? I put one in for a 240 in my 300 crank, but it was really tight... more so than any other car I have swapped trans/clutches on...it might also be the source of a weird off idle vibe Im getting in gear.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - ForcedInduction - 05-27-2009
Late 1984 and all 1985 models have a different sized bearing hole. The pilot bearing only comes into play when the clutch is pressed, the rest of the time its not doing anything but keeping input shaft alignment.
The best ways around it are either machining the crankshaft to accept a normal bearing or finding a bearing with the correct dimensions. Forcing a normal one in there may have cracked or warped the bearing race and put the input shaft slightly off center.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 05-27-2009
(05-27-2009, 01:43 AM)ForcedInduction The pilot bearing only comes into play when the clutch is pressed, the rest of the time its not doing anything but keeping input shaft alignment.
yeah, I dont really think that's what it is, cause it goes away around 1500 RPM...and the shifts dont have a weird feel to them. The next thing I need to do is adjust my throttle linkage.... turns out the slushbox was hiding quite a few throttle issues. Then ill try to figger out whats up with the vibration... ive already put several hundred miles on it and it seems okay other than that.
since the car and donors were 83s and thats what year I ordered parts for, it *should* be the correct one... it just was a real PIA to install, even with the proper tool.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - ForcedInduction - 05-27-2009
The vibration around 1500rpm is actually resonating. MB put a damper on the driveshaft to help solve that problem.
That part is no longer available new (I tried) and the suggested repair by MB is to leave it off. The best solution is to try and not run the engine in that 1000-1500rpm RPM range anyways since its well below its torque peak.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - winmutt - 05-27-2009
(05-27-2009, 12:53 PM)ForcedInduction That part is no longer available new (I tried)
What part number did you have? I found one at that mechanic who was going out of business with a 201 part number on it. I find it hard to believe a 201 part is NLA.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - Graminal95 - 05-27-2009
Forced Meyle lists it in there 2007 catalog as
Meyle p# 014 041 0000
Mercedes p# 123 411 17 47
For Stufenh./Sedan (W123)
So it should still be available
On a side note, they have a manual tranny gasket set too, as p# 014 026 0017
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 05-27-2009
(05-27-2009, 12:53 PM)ForcedInduction The vibration around 1500rpm is actually resonating. MB put a damper on the driveshaft to help solve that problem.
Interesting... I thought the resonating was above 1500 to about 2000... hopefully thats all it is, Ill try to lug it tomorrow and see if it does it in every gear or just 1st...
(05-27-2009, 12:53 PM)ForcedInduction The best solution is to try and not run the engine in that 1000-1500rpm RPM range anyways since its well below its torque peak.
yeah, the only time I am anywhere near that RPM is from a dead start... I usually shift to put 'er al least around 2400 afterwards... usually closer to 3500
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 07-12-2009
(05-27-2009, 12:53 PM)ForcedInduction The vibration around 1500rpm is actually resonating. MB put a damper on the driveshaft to help solve that problem.
Hey FI, is this installed on your car, or did you snag this pic from elsewhere?
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - ForcedInduction - 07-12-2009
Its from elsewhere.
I've got a damper from a euro 300D, I'm using the driveshaft from said euro but I didn't have the time to slightly bend the linkages to clear the damper when I was installing the new tranny (I still use modified 240D linkages, not the euro).
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 07-15-2009
huh... I guess if I ever come across one of these, ill have to have another go at making my 'custom' linkages form allthread, this time with proper metric rod and OEM end pieces... last time didnt work out so hot with the 3/8' allthread and modified clevis yokes...
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - ForcedInduction - 07-15-2009
The 84 300SD I got the NSS off of has a damper on the driveshaft as well. Its about 1/2 the size of the manual 300D's though.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - Syncro_G - 07-15-2009
(07-15-2009, 12:27 AM)SurfRodder huh... I guess if I ever come across one of these, ill have to have another go at making my 'custom' linkages form allthread, this time with proper metric rod and OEM end pieces... last time didnt work out so hot with the 3/8' allthread and modified clevis yokes...
why don't you just take a stock rod, cut it in 1/2, thread the new ends and put a threaded sleeve over them. back it up at both ends with lock nuts.
that seems like it would be cheapest and give you all the adjustment you need.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 07-15-2009
(07-15-2009, 02:32 AM)Syncro_G why don't you just take a stock rock, cut it in 1/2, thread the new ends and put a threaded sleeve over them. back it up at both ends with lock nuts.
that seems like it would be cheapest and give you all the adjustment you need.
well, I am already running modified 240 linkages... I did make some really awesome custom ones out of 3/8 stainless allthread, but couldnt get the ends to work out. I could always modify the stockers even more, but I like to fabricate with unblemished materials if at all possible... the factory stuff is good, but with time, I can make better. And from what FI mentioned about the damper clearance issues, Ill need full control of all the bending...that is, if I ever come across on of those dampers...its good enough for now.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 10-26-2009
(07-12-2009, 04:26 PM)ForcedInduction I've got a damper from a euro 300D, I'm using the driveshaft from said euro but I didn't have the time to slightly bend the linkages to clear the damper when I was installing the new tranny (I still use modified 240D linkages, not the euro).
Hey man, I was just thinking about a place that makes custom polyurethane bushings/motor mounts etc. If you would be willing to send in your damper to them, I bet we could have them reproduce it in poly. They can match the durometer rating and/or make it stiffer or more squishy. They can probably even make one that will clear all the stock linkage stuff, as long as you tell them what needs to be trimmed I bet they can do it. Lemme know if youre intersted in that and Ill either post the dudes contact info and/or give him a call to see if he can do it.
does your damper replace the front flex disc too? I think I remember you posting somewhere that its a totally separate part. Anyway, they could possibly make one that is all one piece as well, if that would be better.
edit: this wont be cheap, but im sure they could reproduce it for about what the original one cost...
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - ForcedInduction - 10-26-2009
Its a different part that bolts onto the back of the tri-flange. The driveshaft has to be pulled out of the slip joint to install it.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 10-27-2009
i emailed the dude and sent him the picture above to see if he thinks it's feasible/what price... if he thinks he can make them for ~100 bux, would you send him the original?
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - ForcedInduction - 10-27-2009
(10-27-2009, 05:49 AM)SurfRodder i emailed the dude and sent him the picture above to see if he thinks it's feasible/what price... if he thinks he can make them for ~100 bux, would you send him the original?
I'll have to track it down. I've got the 280E 5-speed's damper here but I don't have the 300D's at the moment. Its probably buried in one of my toolbox drawers.
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - SurfRodder - 10-27-2009
(10-27-2009, 03:18 PM)ForcedInduction I'll have to track it down. I've got the 280E 5-speed's damper here but I don't have the 300D's at the moment. Its probably buried in one of my toolbox drawers.
cool.. the dude is on the road for a few days, but he will get back to me when he gets back.
another thing, how is it constructed? Is it just a couple of sleeves going thru the rubber or are they retained by a plate in the middle to keep from walking?
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - ForcedInduction - 10-28-2009
The 300D model has a larger OD
RE: German Tranny Hardparts - winmutt - 10-29-2009
I never noticed that arrow before!