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project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - EmJay - 03-25-2014
I'm just throwing an idea around, a seed that Winmutt planted last year. I have an 86 16v, dogleg manual with 3.27 LSD rear. The fuel distributor died on me so the car doesn't currently run. While the motor is strong, there are a few bugs I have yet to figure out, such as an erratic idle.
I have 4 options really:
#1 sell it and forget about it, regretting it for the rest of my life.
#2 do the repairs, and replace known bad sensors and hope that is it. Expensive and power limited.
#3 convert to EFI with a spare Megasquirt setup I have. Probably the easiest and lowest cost option since I have most of the stuff already.
#4 throw in a OM602 turbo and build that up. Could sell 16v motor to help with some of the costs.
Throwing any diesel bias aside, what would you do?
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - willbhere4u - 03-25-2014
option #4 the original engine is a money pit with little to no performance potential unless you are going to completely restore the car to factory original.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - K Van Damme - 03-25-2014
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RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - swampmonkey - 03-26-2014
(03-25-2014, 03:25 PM)willbhere4u option #4 the original engine is a money pit with little to no performance potential unless you are going to completely restore the car to factory original.
you can get a lot of HP with a turbo on that engine, but you have to put a lot of money into it... build manifold, get megasquirt injection built+programmed,
Id go for a om602 in your case, but save/use the gearbox, the 717.404 is teh shit.
or get a om605 or om606 in there since you have a badass car, you should have a badass engine
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - EmJay - 03-26-2014
I've contemplated 6 cylinders, but I don't want to modify the firewall. A 605 or 606 would be too cost restrictive like turboing the stock motor. A 602 can be sourced for less.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - raysorenson - 03-26-2014
Cons of the 602 are very little room for intercooling and the rear diff setup won't work out. The LSD carrier might accommodate a 3.07, which is still way too short for a non-overdrive trans. Weight distribution will be messed up too.
I would consider a 602 if the value of the car was pretty low. Bad interior, not so straight body.
If the car is pretty nice, the choice is clear. Megasquirt. The 16v is a rare classic that will become increasingly sought after.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - sassparilla_kid - 03-26-2014
I say 4
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - EmJay - 03-26-2014
Body of the car is pretty straight, just one rust spot and it definitely needs paint. Seats need to be redone but are solid and all motors work.
I was leaning more towards a megasquirt setup, but sometimes I really yearn for the simplicity of the diesel engine. Plus the mileage of diesel is superior. Best I got in my old 300D 2.5 turbo was 39mpg. Best I got with my 16v was 18.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - Jetmugg - 04-01-2014
I agree that the 602 turbo engine is great for these cars, but I think you'd be disappointed coupling it to the "Dogleg" Getrag transmission. I have an OM602 turbo transplanted into a '93 190E, but I'm using one of the "diesel spec" 5-speeds from a much earlier 190D 2.2 (not sure of trans #). Combined with a 3.07 rearend, the driveability is great, city and highway.
Steve.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - raysorenson - 04-01-2014
The dogleg is pretty good with a 2.65 axle. Same top gear ratio as the 201 and 124 turbo diesels.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - EmJay - 04-01-2014
hmm, makes me want to find a non running sportline to put a 602 or 603 under the hood.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - raysorenson - 04-01-2014
*ding*
602, IMHO. I envy my wife's '93 vintage 602. It's unnaturally quiet and smooth. A 603 would turn a 201 into a front-heavy understeering pig. Like an Audi Quattro without the traction.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - Jetmugg - 04-02-2014
How "tall" is 1st gear with the dogleg trans and 2.65 rear? Sounds like that might be a decent option.
Early on in my drivetrain swapping projects, I ran a 190E "gasser" 5-speed behind the OM602 Turbo with the stock 2.65 rear in an '87 190D 2.5T.
1st gear was a complete dog with that setup. If a hill was steep at all, I could barely get moving pointed uphill.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - EmJay - 04-02-2014
Most of the time with my 16v, I pulled off from second gear, unless I was at a hill or wanted to take off really fast.
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - mike-81-240d - 04-06-2014
602 because because
RE: project idea feeler: 1986 190E 2.3-16 swap to o602 - raysorenson - 04-09-2014
(04-02-2014, 11:24 AM)Jetmugg How "tall" is 1st gear with the dogleg trans and 2.65 rear? Sounds like that might be a decent option.
Early on in my drivetrain swapping projects, I ran a 190E "gasser" 5-speed behind the OM602 Turbo with the stock 2.65 rear in an '87 190D 2.5T.
1st gear was a complete dog with that setup. If a hill was steep at all, I could barely get moving pointed uphill.
It could be a little tall. When I had combustion issues with my 603 causing a lack of low end torque and delayed boost onset, it was irritating. Now it's great. A great launch and easy to drive in traffic. I'm turning 3k at 80mph