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Stronger clutch - Keino - 10-03-2014
Hi!
Running 617.952 with 7.5mm 150cc dieselmeken M pump + borgwarner s200g with 1.7 bar boost pressure.
Gonna need a stronger clutch. Ideas?
Thankful for any input
RE: Stronger clutch - capflya - 10-03-2014
Clutchnet.com can make you one... That's where I got the one for my 603 car. They're here in California though but I'm sure they would ship international if you needed.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 10-03-2014
(10-03-2014, 03:26 PM)capflya Clutchnet.com can make you one... That's where I got the one for my 603 car. They're here in California though but I'm sure they would ship international if you needed.
Yeah I saw a link for their site, thats what got me thinking actually.
They make customs?
International shipping is highly needed
Thanks for tip!
RE: Stronger clutch - capflya - 10-05-2014
Yeah, I believe they can make whatever you want. I got the "red" package for a 2.3-16 since I'm going to use that flywheel on my car. Enough for 400hp or so but I have a feeling I might run into trans issues with the 410 I have before the clutch gives way. I need to get my IP built anyways so I'm a ways off from actually needing this clutch.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 10-05-2014
He is able to create what I need
It's been ordered and will take 2 weeks to make it. (Stronger pressure plate + clutch)
Thank you very much for this tip.
Will post back here once i get it
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 11-11-2014
So you guys succesfully ordered from clutchnet?
"Oleg" has stopped answering my mails since halloween
The clutchkit was supposed to get shipped and I would recieve a trackingnumber.
Getting a bit anxious that he might have scammed me. Does not feel good atleast
Shit's already been paid like 4-5 weeks back.
Anyone with positive feedback from this guy/guys?
RE: Stronger clutch - raysorenson - 11-11-2014
Same experience I had. My stuff did eventually arrive.
RE: Stronger clutch - Duncansport - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 01:39 PM)Keino So you guys succesfully ordered from clutchnet?
"Oleg" has stopped answering my mails since halloween
The clutchkit was supposed to get shipped and I would recieve a trackingnumber.
Getting a bit anxious that he might have scammed me. Does not feel good atleast
Shit's already been paid like 4-5 weeks back.
Anyone with positive feedback from this guy/guys?
I SENT a clutch to be modified and it came back to me in two months, but good luck with these guys. A bit of googling will let you know their service is a big rough....
RE: Stronger clutch - F.R.A.S - 11-12-2014
Ohhh man, you should just have ordered it from us and in Swedish to
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 11-12-2014
Thanks for the replies.
Having my hopes up for an arrival soon!
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 12-01-2014
Still no clutchkit....
Ordered it 5th Oct and it should take him 2 weeks to make it.
Shipping from us usually takes 2 weeks = It should have been here by now.
The man simply wont reply to emails.
Suggestions on how to proceed with this?
RE: Stronger clutch - capflya - 12-01-2014
Maybe try to call him? Should be some web calling service you could use so it's free/cheap. If you can't get through and he's not responding I'd file a claim with the card company for a refund then buy a clutch from F.R.A.S
RE: Stronger clutch - raysorenson - 12-01-2014
I never got anyone to answer the phone there when I tried.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 12-03-2014
I cheked my paypal transaction reciept.
There I found another email to clutchnet it was something like clutchnet.sales@ something something.....
Emailed there yesterday and asked where my package was.
Now I got the trackingnumber emailed to me.
He is shipping it today.
Good to finally get an explanation.
I will update here when/if it arrives.
Thanks for input
RE: Stronger clutch - capflya - 12-10-2014
Got mine installed finally. Definitely feels strong... pedal is nice and firm and the clutch grabs quick. Going to take some adjustment since I haven't driven stick daily in a while.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 12-29-2014
So, today the kit finally arrived.
Will not be installing it just yet. (snow covered roads, so no need for this yet)
Can upload a picture of the kit if someone is interested in seeing what i got.
Will post back here when it has been tested properly
But so far so good.
RE: Stronger clutch - F.R.A.S - 12-29-2014
Pictures please...
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 12-29-2014
(12-29-2014, 09:26 AM)F.R.A.S Pictures please...
It says Sachs on the pressureplate. Did some measuring and it seems it has the same sizes as original clutch, so hopefully it will be bolt on as promised. If you need more precise pictures of some part just say so.
![[Image: 1zgt6y0.jpg]](http://i62.tinypic.com/1zgt6y0.jpg)
![[Image: t5g7de.jpg]](http://i58.tinypic.com/t5g7de.jpg)
RE: Stronger clutch - capflya - 12-29-2014
Check the rivets on the PP spring... mine stuck out too far and it didn't allow the PP to be flush with the flywheel so I had to grind them down a bit to clear. There's still enough metal "mushroomed" over the hole to keep it secure but just something I experienced on mine. Hopefully yours is fine and you don't have to modify it.
RE: Stronger clutch - [486] - 12-29-2014
(12-29-2014, 04:28 PM)capflya Check the rivets on the PP spring... mine stuck out too far and it didn't allow the PP to be flush with the flywheel so I had to grind them down a bit to clear. There's still enough metal "mushroomed" over the hole to keep it secure but just something I experienced on mine. Hopefully yours is fine and you don't have to modify it.On the fixed cover end of the straps, or the iron movable piece?
The friction disc takes up a lot of space in there, if it is a flat flywheel.
RE: Stronger clutch - capflya - 12-30-2014
With the flywheel clamped down I could still move the clutch disc with my fingers. There were rivets around the outside edge that appear to hold the spring on somehow? I had to grind those down so the flywheel would bolt up flat to the flywheel and be able to grip the disc.
RE: Stronger clutch - F.R.A.S - 12-30-2014
What number does it say on the PP???
215mm/228mm/240mm???
Just read the first posts in this thread... TAKE 2-WEEKS TO MAKE THE KIT??? This is damn spraypainted parts that the guy bought. Where is the parts that took two weeks to make??? And then it took like a month for you to get the parts.
I feel bad for you mate.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 12-30-2014
(12-30-2014, 08:04 AM)F.R.A.S What number does it say on the PP???
215mm/228mm/240mm???
Just read the first posts in this thread... TAKE 2-WEEKS TO MAKE THE KIT??? This is damn spraypainted parts that the guy bought. Where is the parts that took two weeks to make??? And then it took like a month for you to get the parts.
I feel bad for you mate.
The reason why it would take so long time is because Quote: "One more step to finish the pressure plate is to properly heat treat the diaphragm and after that it's ready to be shipped.
I can not speed up the 3 stage heat treating process"
Anyhow its 215mm
On the pp i can read:
TYPM200X M215
Good/bad?
RE: Stronger clutch - F.R.A.S - 12-30-2014
Alright my friend you got hustled...
The m200x is the stock PP and a Sachs PP does not need any work to it.
Check this out:
LINK
RE: Stronger clutch - Duncansport - 12-30-2014
F.R.A.S- Thank you for your informative posts and commitment to this side of the sport? I truly wish your business great success!
Also as soon as my 9.5 clutch poops the bed ill be sure to contact you! Who knows maybe ill have blown up my .430 by then..
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 12-31-2014
Although I agree that it indeed is a sachs pp, he must've done something custom about it?
Does anyone have more pictures of such a PP so we can compare pictures?
Thanks for all the input!
RE: Stronger clutch - F.R.A.S - 12-31-2014
I'm sorry that the news where bad Keino. And to be true I don't see the point in dismantling a PP and rebuild it when Sachs have stronger PP available for almost any setup. And 215mm is a super weak setup to start with.
Here is a bigger picture for you...
![[Image: 1000x1000.jpg]](http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/260860034829_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg)
I truly hate hustlers!!!
RE: Stronger clutch - raysorenson - 12-31-2014
Oleg has been pretty bad about slow turnaround over the last couple of years and his communication is almost non-existent at times, but that's about the worst you can say about him. For those reasons I can't recommend doing business with him. I don't think he's a thief or a liar.
If you google clutchnet a little or talk to Oleg (assuming he'll ever answer the phone again), you'll find that he's pretty open about modifying stock pressure plates. He probably moves the pressure plate fulcrum, like everyone else, to increase clamping force.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 12-31-2014
The differences I can find would be in the center, the splines look different.
He remanufactured an old sachs with new goods?
Also, I cant find the "Germany" anywhere. Maybe he grinded that part out? But cant see any signs of that.
![[Image: 2h5r3mw.jpg]](http://i58.tinypic.com/2h5r3mw.jpg)
Would like to compare the inside aswell. Anyone got a picture?
![[Image: 16hufyo.jpg]](http://i61.tinypic.com/16hufyo.jpg)
RE: Stronger clutch - winmutt - 12-31-2014
Keino that doesn't look like a high spine count on the disk? Should be a 26 spline or something like that, right? I have a 6 puck sinter clutch like the one you have, its pretty horrible to drive on IMO.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 12-31-2014
(12-31-2014, 05:42 PM)winmutt Keino that doesn't look like a high spine count on the disk? Should be a 26 spline or something like that, right? I have a 6 puck sinter clutch like the one you have, its pretty horrible to drive on IMO.
Im using an old 4 speed gearbox. So it should be 10 splines. Wich it is.
Well, I'll see how it is to drive with @ spring.
RE: Stronger clutch - MrHope - 01-01-2015
Keino maby this will be an interesting thing for you?
Sachs 240mm with flywheel, clutch and pp
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 01-01-2015
(01-01-2015, 08:05 AM)MrHope Keino maby this will be an interesting thing for you?
Sachs 240mm with flywheel, clutch and pp
Looks interesting. Flywheel fits om617?
Custom made?
Ever used it yourself?
RE: Stronger clutch - MrHope - 01-02-2015
(01-01-2015, 08:19 AM)Keino(01-01-2015, 08:05 AM)MrHope Keino maby this will be an interesting thing for you?
Sachs 240mm with flywheel, clutch and pp
Looks interesting. Flywheel fits om617?
Custom made?
Ever used it yourself?
flywheel would fit 617 if you have 12bolts. and big splines.
I have had it on a m110 2,8 engine.
its a rare mercedes original part!
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 01-02-2015
Never heard of such a thing
Did you have a 5 speed getrag attached to it?
Gonna do some research about this.
But if it fits im very interested!
RE: Stronger clutch - MrHope - 01-02-2015
yes fivespeed getrag, but i did sell the gearbox... this is all that is left from it. its also lighter than the 300D flywheel
RE: Stronger clutch - NZScott - 01-03-2015
280GE setup? I've been looking into that, but the flywheel looks far too small for a diesel, 228mm clutch with 617.931 flywheel looks more promising
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 01-03-2015
(01-03-2015, 03:22 PM)NZScott 280GE setup? I've been looking into that, but the flywheel looks far too small for a diesel, 228mm clutch with 617.931 flywheel looks more promising
Where do you find .931 ? G wagen also?
RE: Stronger clutch - NZScott - 01-03-2015
(01-03-2015, 06:32 PM)Keino(01-03-2015, 03:22 PM)NZScott 280GE setup? I've been looking into that, but the flywheel looks far too small for a diesel, 228mm clutch with 617.931 flywheel looks more promising
Where do you find .931 ? G wagen also?
Yes the 300GD with the 617.931 engine has the lighter flywheel than standard .912 but still heavier than the OM616 flywheels I think.
I'm trying to track down one of these flywheels and clutch kit.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 01-04-2015
I emailed Oleg and asked about the pressureplate being a sachs and if it was stock. Reply was:
"We always use original pressure plates and change the diaphragm only to increase the pressure."
RE: Stronger clutch - MrHope - 01-04-2015
i have 300GD flywheel to if its interesting, but the G-stuff is alot more expensive than w123 parts...
RE: Stronger clutch - winmutt - 01-06-2015
I missed this was for a 617. I bought the 300GD FW + clutch + pp from MBUSA new for $1200. IIRC its 9". There is a link around here that lists all the pressure plates and their pressure for the 70s and early 80s era benzes.
RE: Stronger clutch - winmutt - 01-06-2015
(01-06-2015, 10:03 AM)winmutt I missed this was for a 617. I bought the 300GD FW + clutch + pp from MBUSA new for $1200. IIRC its 9". There is a link around here that lists all the pressure plates and their pressure for the 70s and early 80s era benzes.
Never thought about it but maybe those pressure plates work on the later models???
Wow can't believe I never checked that
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 01-06-2015
I'd love to check out that link. Any idea where to search?
RE: Stronger clutch - winmutt - 01-06-2015
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-Clutch-pressure-plate-upgrade
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 01-06-2015
(01-06-2015, 10:30 AM)winmutt http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-Clutch-pressure-plate-upgrade
Thanks
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 04-10-2015
Installed the clutch kit last week.
It feels really nice to drive it. Almost smooter starts now compared to the original clutch
However. It slips for a small moment when going pedal to the metal. After that it holds just fine. Is that normal for a sinter clutch?
Never driven with one before.
RE: Stronger clutch - winmutt - 04-10-2015
Not in my experience. Quite the opposite. I would get alot of chatter as it grabbed and let go and grabbed again.
RE: Stronger clutch - Keino - 04-10-2015
(04-10-2015, 01:53 PM)winmutt I would get alot of chatter as it grabbed and let go and grabbed again.
Sorry if my english isn't that good.
But by this you mean yours never slipped?
RE: Stronger clutch - F.R.A.S - 04-11-2015
If a sinter clutch slips something is wrong. They NEVER slips. When getting from a stand still it can produce some shatter (hugga lite in Swedish för att det greppar så jävligt). But NEVER EVER slip.