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om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - decl00ne - 04-26-2016
hey guys, so if you seen my project page, i am going to swap a om605 or om606 in to a 245.
im looking forr info on the engines, and well, i think i am at the right place
im in doubt about what engine to choose. should i go for a om605 or a om606...
im in favour of a om605, because it is a 5 cylinder (in love with 5 cilinder engines
)but i can imagine, for the 400 hp im aiming at the extra cylinder could come in handy.
i saw some posts about the om606 fitting in the bay of a 240 with a 30mm spacer, is this true?
and does the om605 have the same engine mount positions as the om606?
also, what is the best turbo for daily use? in Holland, the hx40 is available, but it isnt a problem to get it from overseas or so.
saw some posts about variable vane turbos on these engines, which one is doable for not to much money (in the same league as the hx40)
also, i dont want to smoke to much when driving normal, so could i install a soot particle filter in the exhaust? and install a cutout valve if i floor it?
hope to see some good replys from you guys
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - 50harleyrider - 04-26-2016
If you want 400 hp, go with a an OM606 if you can fit in your car. Much smoother and more capable if you want more HP down the road. Check availability in your area too. In the states we use the OM606.961 since they were offered in the w210. I'm sure the om648 will gain popularity when tuners figure out the common rail aftermarket tuning. Europe has so many options that I may have to move!
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - decl00ne - 04-26-2016
(04-26-2016, 09:57 AM)50harleyrider If you want 400 hp, go with a an OM606 if you can fit in your car. Much smoother and more capable if you want more HP down the road. Check availability in your area too. In the states we use the OM606.961 since they were offered in the w210. I'm sure the om648 will gain popularity when tuners figure out the common rail aftermarket tuning. Europe has so many options that I may have to move!
well, it will fit (HUGE engine compartiment) and is plenty avaible in europe. the om648 is to new for my build.
and please do move over, need all the help a can get haha
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - seanyt - 04-26-2016
if it was me id be putting an om606 into the 245 not just cause you get 20% extra everything before modding.
But the lowest part of the sump is moved forward a good bit leaving you with plenty of space for your subframe and steering rack
The om605 might lead you into problems with trimming the sump or front subframe to get it to clear.
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - decl00ne - 04-26-2016
(04-26-2016, 10:33 AM)seanyt if it was me id be putting an om606 into the 245 not just cause you get 20% extra everything before modding.
But the lowest part of the sump is moved forward a good bit leaving you with plenty of space for your subframe and steering rack
The om605 might lead you into problems with trimming the sump or front subframe to get it to clear.
good points, but trimming the pump, that i done on the side of the engine right?
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - baldur - 04-26-2016
If you don't like smoke, you just need to have tight control over fuelling in relation to turbo boost pressure. This is an area where an electronic injection pump (EDC) excels.
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - Hario' - 04-27-2016
What's a 245?
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - Alec300SD - 04-27-2016
(04-27-2016, 05:38 AM)Hario What's a 245?
I believe it is a Volvo wagon. I have a 1979 245DL wagon nicknamed "Grasshopper".
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - decl00ne - 04-29-2016
(04-26-2016, 01:58 PM)baldur If you don't like smoke, you just need to have tight control over fuelling in relation to turbo boost pressure. This is an area where an electronic injection pump (EDC) excels.
yeah true, but the problem is that a mechanical pump i can do all of the work myself.
if it comes to chipping a pump i suck...
(04-27-2016, 08:36 PM)Alec300SD(04-27-2016, 05:38 AM)Hario What's a 245?
I believe it is a Volvo wagon. I have a 1979 245DL wagon nicknamed "Grasshopper".
yeah its a Volvo wagon, stupidly lumps of metal, but ultimate sleepers haha
ok so i now know i should buy a om606, because of the extra cylinder it is easier to get 400 ponies.
and like baldur said, an electric pump works well if u dont want smoke.
but isnt it achievable with a mechanical pump or a soot filter?
and for the turbo: if i buy a hx40, how laggy will it be (i dont mind lag, but to much isnt fun...)
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - seanyt - 04-30-2016
If you use an 8mm pump you can get a remap for for that pump and turbo.
I've a he351 and doesn't feel too laggy. Although I will be swapping to a billet wheel and 10 blade turbine wheels soon. But lots of people love the hx40
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - decl00ne - 05-01-2016
(04-30-2016, 03:51 AM)seanyt If you use an 8mm pump you can get a remap for for that pump and turbo.
I've a he351 and doesn't feel too laggy. Although I will be swapping to a billet wheel and 10 blade turbine wheels soon. But lots of people love the hx40
isnt 8mm overkill? and how difficult is it to tune the electric pump?
he351 is difficult to come by in Holland,and hx40 is stock turbo for a lot of small lorry's. (volvo, scania, daf)
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - seanyt - 05-01-2016
6mm will see you at 300hp and on its limit with high egt at that.
8mm is perfect for 400hp and headroom for 500hp also.
Shorter injection duration.
Diesels are easy to tune no need for injection timing or control
Just fuelling based on boost.
The map i use has no smoke and spools the he351ve very well and revs till 6k.
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - decl00ne - 05-01-2016
(05-01-2016, 11:37 AM)seanyt 6mm will see you at 300hp and on its limit with high egt at that.
8mm is perfect for 400hp and headroom for 500hp also.
Shorter injection duration.
Diesels are easy to tune no need for injection timing or control
Just fuelling based on boost.
The map i use has no smoke and spools the he351ve very well and revs till 6k.
8mm it is then haha
and the tuning of the pump ,is that something i could do myself?
i have some experience with chipping gasoline engines.
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - seanyt - 05-01-2016
If your good at soldering , I can send you chips and sockets to suit your turbo and pump.
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - decl00ne - 05-01-2016
what kind of chips? im fairly handy with the solderingiron
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - seanyt - 05-01-2016
There the EPROM chip that contain the map.
The ecu has two 8bit chips. You desolder these,
Solder in the sockets, then you can easily remove and insert new chips to give you new maps.
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - decl00ne - 05-01-2016
aaaah.
just like in the old bmw motronics.
if the time comes il give u a message!!!!
RE: om605 vs om606, turbo options, smoke? - seanyt - 05-01-2016
Yeah exactly. No obd2 remapping with this ecu haha.
Sure no problem.