OM617 Turbo intake
OM617 Turbo intake
(07-04-2009, 02:56 PM)willbhere4u how much hp would you expect doing this intake manifold with a water to air inter cooler 20-25hp????
(07-04-2009, 02:56 PM)willbhere4u how much hp would you expect doing this intake manifold with a water to air inter cooler 20-25hp????
I have already turned up the ALDA and disconnected the over boost valve added a K26 with 10psi this car was a rocket off the line with the auto then it boosted quick and hard and pulls good up to 3800 RPM then the power dropped off until it shifted its going in my 240 with a 4spd and new manifold and inter cooler EGT and boost gauge.
I think the inter cooler will help! This car was noticeably quicker in the cool morning than after it warmed up.
I was hooping with a hi flow air filter good flowing intake inter cooler straight exhaust it should get the turbo to snap to life a little quicker?
I agree that the A/F ratio is the limit to the power but if you have a less restrictive flow path than the engine will make more out of early boost due to the ALDA being able to adjust, I don't know how much adjustment that could be done from the ALDA but I'm sure if F/I worked on it she would come off the line better.
Anyone willing to pick one of these up for me at your local u-pull and ship it to me? PM me on how much, and then shipping would be on top of course.
I grab every one I come across. Right now I only have the one on my 240 and the one being modified for the 300.
(06-22-2009, 10:24 AM)Motorhead I put the stock OM617 Turbo intake manifold on a flow bench and found the flow for all 5 ports to be 336.5 CFM@28" H2O and each port as #'ed, 1-176.0, 2-152.6, 3-163.2, 4-160.2, 5-152.1. I then put a chamfer on the sharp inlet step for the turbo side of the intake and the flow hit 350, ..
(06-30-2009, 08:00 PM)Motorhead Total flow is 424.4 CFM@28" H2O STOCK
Cyl#1-179, 2-171, 3-167, 4-170, 5-169
The inlet lip had core shift and was thicker on one side than the other so I rolled and blended the lip, I did not spend more than 5 min. on it just to see what it would do.
Total flow after lip roll is 505.2 CFM@28" H2O
Cyl#1-181, 2-173, 3-173, 4-178, 5-170
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(06-22-2009, 10:24 AM)Motorhead I put the stock OM617 Turbo intake manifold on a flow bench and found the flow for all 5 ports to be 336.5 CFM@28" H2O and each port as #'ed, 1-176.0, 2-152.6, 3-163.2, 4-160.2, 5-152.1. I then put a chamfer on the sharp inlet step for the turbo side of the intake and the flow hit 350, ..
(06-30-2009, 08:00 PM)Motorhead Total flow is 424.4 CFM@28" H2O STOCK
Cyl#1-179, 2-171, 3-167, 4-170, 5-169
The inlet lip had core shift and was thicker on one side than the other so I rolled and blended the lip, I did not spend more than 5 min. on it just to see what it would do.
Total flow after lip roll is 505.2 CFM@28" H2O
Cyl#1-181, 2-173, 3-173, 4-178, 5-170
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(07-05-2009, 02:28 AM)DeliveryValve(06-22-2009, 10:24 AM)Motorhead I put the stock OM617 Turbo intake manifold on a flow bench and found the flow for all 5 ports to be 336.5 CFM@28" H2O and each port as #'ed, 1-176.0, 2-152.6, 3-163.2, 4-160.2, 5-152.1. I then put a chamfer on the sharp inlet step for the turbo side of the intake and the flow hit 350, ..
(06-30-2009, 08:00 PM)Motorhead Total flow is 424.4 CFM@28" H2O STOCK
Cyl#1-179, 2-171, 3-167, 4-170, 5-169
I have not seen the inlet of any other N/A intake manifolds but I was just calling mine as a core shift during casting, does anyone have a picture of another one's inlet? (besides F.I. who has cornered the market on them) You know he is the first guy I seen with one of those on a turbo so I think we should incorporate his name with the intake,[/b]F.I. + N/A = [/i][/b]the FINA intake.
The inlet lip had core shift and was thicker on one side than the other so I rolled and blended the lip, I did not spend more than 5 min. on it just to see what it would do.
Total flow after lip roll is 505.2 CFM@28" H2O
Cyl#1-181, 2-173, 3-173, 4-178, 5-170
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Wow, that is great information! I am glad I picked up this manifold a couple of years ago! But I am not glad it is not on my car yet!
Thanks for posting the pic on how you rolled the inlet lip. I don't know why they casted one side thicker then the other, because all the intakes I've seen in person are like that. Any rate, I wonder what the numbers would be if that side was opened up to the same thickness of the other sides?
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(07-05-2009, 02:28 AM)DeliveryValve(06-22-2009, 10:24 AM)Motorhead I put the stock OM617 Turbo intake manifold on a flow bench and found the flow for all 5 ports to be 336.5 CFM@28" H2O and each port as #'ed, 1-176.0, 2-152.6, 3-163.2, 4-160.2, 5-152.1. I then put a chamfer on the sharp inlet step for the turbo side of the intake and the flow hit 350, ..
(06-30-2009, 08:00 PM)Motorhead Total flow is 424.4 CFM@28" H2O STOCK
Cyl#1-179, 2-171, 3-167, 4-170, 5-169
I have not seen the inlet of any other N/A intake manifolds but I was just calling mine as a core shift during casting, does anyone have a picture of another one's inlet? (besides F.I. who has cornered the market on them) You know he is the first guy I seen with one of those on a turbo so I think we should incorporate his name with the intake,[/b]F.I. + N/A = [/i][/b]the FINA intake.
The inlet lip had core shift and was thicker on one side than the other so I rolled and blended the lip, I did not spend more than 5 min. on it just to see what it would do.
Total flow after lip roll is 505.2 CFM@28" H2O
Cyl#1-181, 2-173, 3-173, 4-178, 5-170
.....
Wow, that is great information! I am glad I picked up this manifold a couple of years ago! But I am not glad it is not on my car yet!
Thanks for posting the pic on how you rolled the inlet lip. I don't know why they casted one side thicker then the other, because all the intakes I've seen in person are like that. Any rate, I wonder what the numbers would be if that side was opened up to the same thickness of the other sides?
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(07-05-2009, 10:29 AM)Motorhead ....I have not seen the inlet of any other N/A intake manifolds but I was just calling mine as a core shift during casting, does anyone have a picture of another one's inlet? (besides F.I. who has cornered the market on them) You know he is the first guy I seen with one of those on a turbo so I think we should incorporate his name with the intake,[/b]F.I. + N/A = [/i][/b]the FINA intake. ....
(07-05-2009, 10:29 AM)Motorhead ....I have not seen the inlet of any other N/A intake manifolds but I was just calling mine as a core shift during casting, does anyone have a picture of another one's inlet? (besides F.I. who has cornered the market on them) You know he is the first guy I seen with one of those on a turbo so I think we should incorporate his name with the intake,[/b]F.I. + N/A = [/i][/b]the FINA intake. ....
(06-24-2009, 03:28 PM)ForcedInduction One idea I was working with was using a W115 or N/A intake, cutting off the plenum, getting a generic A/W intercooler and welding the outlet side of the intercooler to the runners as the new plenum.
Using one of these.
(06-24-2009, 03:28 PM)ForcedInduction One idea I was working with was using a W115 or N/A intake, cutting off the plenum, getting a generic A/W intercooler and welding the outlet side of the intercooler to the runners as the new plenum.
Using one of these.
I hope so. I'm doing something similar with my Holset and a heat shield.
I'm going to get my turbine housing and exhaust manifold/header coated as well as my down tube, I like F.I.'s idea of putting the battery in the trunk and using the space for the I/C reservoir. I can see the "FINA" intake being the norm with most 617 builds, as long as F.I. does not snatch them all up.
(07-06-2009, 09:56 AM)Motorhead I'm going to get my turbine housing and exhaust manifold/header coated as well as my down tube,
(07-06-2009, 09:56 AM)Motorhead I'm going to get my turbine housing and exhaust manifold/header coated as well as my down tube,
(07-06-2009, 11:55 AM)Syncro_G The guys I talked to were concerned that by coating the turbo, too much heat would be trapped in the bearings. They weren't speaking from experience though.
(07-06-2009, 11:55 AM)Syncro_G The guys I talked to were concerned that by coating the turbo, too much heat would be trapped in the bearings. They weren't speaking from experience though.
I was thinking the same thing about water cooling also, I just want the turbine to breath fire and the intake charge to stay cool. The high flow core tor the long runner intake is about $200, I may order one soon but I want to run the intake with out an I/C first. I'm going to do some dyno testing at Westech to see baseline and then as we do the mods, when I build a fresh 617 I hope to test the engine all alone in the dyno cell but for now I will have to use the rollers.
Well I got my 76 300d intake through the part's washer today looks like new. So I spent some time grinding off casting lines and I was able to grind that whole lip off the inlet side of my manifold with my flap disc grinder and it looks a lot more even. Not as thick on that one side I'll take pics tomorrow morning I haven't rolled that edge yet though.
here are some pics on my manifold there was a 1/8 in lip on one side only so I ground it off to make it a little more even
the manifold I am replacing is that same manifold without EGR 1980 300sd turbo
I like the idea of sand blasting it to make it look stock I may have to try that out!!!
(07-07-2009, 04:00 PM)willbhere4u here are some pics on my manifold there was a 1/8 in lip on one side only so I ground it off to make it a little more even
I know my '80 SD has a non EGR intake also, that car runs fine so I will not touch it.
(07-07-2009, 04:00 PM)willbhere4u here are some pics on my manifold there was a 1/8 in lip on one side only so I ground it off to make it a little more even
I finally found myself one of these intakes up here.
The part number is slightly different than Motorheads though, and I think the manifold looks a bit different as well. I only looked at it for a couple of minutes as I wanted to confirm that I have the right one before i buy it.
The part number is: R 617 141 07 01
The air inlet is right on the top of the inlet tube instead of on the end like the ones you guys have posted.
Anyone know what I've got?
It sounds like the one from a non-turbo W123 300D, not a W115.
(08-13-2009, 01:10 AM)ForcedInduction It sounds like the one from a non-turbo W123 300D, not a W115.
(08-13-2009, 01:10 AM)ForcedInduction It sounds like the one from a non-turbo W123 300D, not a W115.
I spent some time on the manifold this week and filed off all of the external casting marks and started polishing it up a bit it's starting to look nice!
(08-15-2009, 12:17 AM)Telecommbrkr Still basically the same manifold?
(08-15-2009, 12:17 AM)Telecommbrkr Still basically the same manifold?
I just seen a '85 black 300D turbo (Califorina car) that my friends father owned from new, it is very nice and he said he would take $1,500 for it. I don't need another car but it is a perfect driver, the intake on it is different due to the cat and I would love to put it on the flow bench.
It's the low end increased velocity from the long runners is what I am looking for on this manifold.
Can anyone give me the specs/where to buy of this intake manifold coupler? THANKS!
(02-07-2010, 05:35 PM)SixSpeed Can anyone give me the specs/where to buy of this intake manifold coupler? THANKS!
(02-07-2010, 05:35 PM)SixSpeed Can anyone give me the specs/where to buy of this intake manifold coupler? THANKS!
(02-07-2010, 06:59 PM)ForcedInduction(02-07-2010, 05:35 PM)SixSpeed Can anyone give me the specs/where to buy of this intake manifold coupler? THANKS!
Its a generic ebay 2"-2.5" 90* reducer. I tried to blot out the corny "JDM" logo but I couldn't get anything to stick to the silicone.
That particular manifold has an inlet from an industrial model Cummins welded to it. The stock inlet has only a half lip on one side and its a metric diameter slightly less than 2.5".
(02-07-2010, 06:59 PM)ForcedInduction(02-07-2010, 05:35 PM)SixSpeed Can anyone give me the specs/where to buy of this intake manifold coupler? THANKS!
Its a generic ebay 2"-2.5" 90* reducer. I tried to blot out the corny "JDM" logo but I couldn't get anything to stick to the silicone.
That particular manifold has an inlet from an industrial model Cummins welded to it. The stock inlet has only a half lip on one side and its a metric diameter slightly less than 2.5".
bump for a good thread!
(02-07-2010, 05:35 PM)SixSpeed Can anyone give me the specs/where to buy of this intake manifold coupler? THANKS!
(02-07-2010, 05:35 PM)SixSpeed Can anyone give me the specs/where to buy of this intake manifold coupler? THANKS!
Radiator hose will start ballooning
Would it last a couple of months?
Okay, sooo other than being able to add an intercooler much more easily with a w115 manifold, are there any other real benefits? I'm wondering if I should get one of those silicon adapter elbows so I can install the one I have in the garage on my car. It already has a non-egr manifold on there so I'm just wondering if it there are any additional gains to be had from simply swapping it on
Looking super cool! I would do a b4 and after on a dyno but i am afraid my car will blow up.
maybe a few hp/tq
(05-27-2012, 11:11 AM)willbhere4u maybe a few hp/tq
(05-27-2012, 11:11 AM)willbhere4u maybe a few hp/tq
(05-25-2012, 04:51 PM)willbhere4u Radiator hose will start ballooning
(05-25-2012, 04:51 PM)willbhere4u Radiator hose will start ballooning
maybe in a month or two I'll try the w115 with radiator hose and let you guys know the results I get
(05-29-2012, 11:52 PM)sassparilla_kid maybe in a month or two I'll try the w115 with radiator hose and let you guys know the results I get
(05-29-2012, 11:52 PM)sassparilla_kid maybe in a month or two I'll try the w115 with radiator hose and let you guys know the results I get
Guess I assumed that the EGR and Crankcase vent had been eliminated from the intake haha
Been meaning to post pictures of this unknown to me aftermarket intake I found off a 1979 300D with a Rajay turbo on it. Anybody have any info on this setup?
Shown in the middle.
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Its a BSA turbo kit. They made turbo kits in the 1970-1980 for BMW Mercedes Porsche Delorean and so on. and almost always used Rajay turbos Cool setup! thanks for posting the pictures
That Exhaust manifold is also pretty awesome!
(06-30-2012, 12:09 PM)willbhere4u Its a BSA turbo kit. They made turbo kits in the 1970-1980 for BMW Mercedes Porsche Delorean and so on. and almost always used Rajay turbos Cool setup! thanks for posting the pictures
That Exhaust manifold is also pretty awesome!
(06-30-2012, 12:09 PM)willbhere4u Its a BSA turbo kit. They made turbo kits in the 1970-1980 for BMW Mercedes Porsche Delorean and so on. and almost always used Rajay turbos Cool setup! thanks for posting the pictures
That Exhaust manifold is also pretty awesome!
Its been a while, But by any chance would ANYONE have a intake manifold or know of one I could buy? be it a W115 or any one that will work.