603 manual swap
603 manual swap
So im going for it. Going 5 speed since there are no real good solutions for 6 speed. At the moment im trying to find a suitable pedal box. I have one from an e30 bmw, but i dont think its going to fit. So my question is, what pedal assemblies out to what cars will fit in a w124?
(04-27-2010, 12:46 AM)mbenzo300td So im going for it. Going 5 speed since there are no real good solutions for 6 speed. At the moment im trying to find a suitable pedal box. I have one from an e30 bmw, but i dont think its going to fit. So my question is, what pedal assemblies out to what cars will fit in a w124?
(04-27-2010, 12:46 AM)mbenzo300td So im going for it. Going 5 speed since there are no real good solutions for 6 speed. At the moment im trying to find a suitable pedal box. I have one from an e30 bmw, but i dont think its going to fit. So my question is, what pedal assemblies out to what cars will fit in a w124?
how about the 300ce models. A few of these were manual i believe.
(04-27-2010, 04:35 PM)mbenzo300td how about the 300ce models. A few of these were manual i believe.
(04-27-2010, 04:35 PM)mbenzo300td how about the 300ce models. A few of these were manual i believe.
Good find! would you happend to know if the driveshat on your manual is a different length.
(04-27-2010, 09:23 AM)Tymbrymi(04-27-2010, 12:46 AM)mbenzo300td So im going for it. Going 5 speed since there are no real good solutions for 6 speed. At the moment im trying to find a suitable pedal box. I have one from an e30 bmw, but i dont think its going to fit. So my question is, what pedal assemblies out to what cars will fit in a w124?
I have a pedal assembly to a W124 here in my office... (sorry not for sale!). It came off of an '86 300E. I believe the only 5-speed W124 cars were the '86 and '88 300E. There might be more, but those are the only ones I know about. As such, conversion kits are expensive. Especially since I imagine the shifter linkages, shifter, etc are different from the commonly available W201 components. At least the 300E has the largest diameter clutch of the bunch!
(04-27-2010, 09:23 AM)Tymbrymi(04-27-2010, 12:46 AM)mbenzo300td So im going for it. Going 5 speed since there are no real good solutions for 6 speed. At the moment im trying to find a suitable pedal box. I have one from an e30 bmw, but i dont think its going to fit. So my question is, what pedal assemblies out to what cars will fit in a w124?
I have a pedal assembly to a W124 here in my office... (sorry not for sale!). It came off of an '86 300E. I believe the only 5-speed W124 cars were the '86 and '88 300E. There might be more, but those are the only ones I know about. As such, conversion kits are expensive. Especially since I imagine the shifter linkages, shifter, etc are different from the commonly available W201 components. At least the 300E has the largest diameter clutch of the bunch!
(04-28-2010, 02:21 AM)Kozuka All W201/W124 engine/transmission equipment is the same at most you will have to shorten the shifter linkage. But most M103/M104 swaps (into W201) with a W124 transmission didn't need to modify anything. W201/W124 only difference is the length of the chassis and the tail lights. So at most you will need to find the specific linkage and shifter but mostly everything else can be raided from a W201.
(04-28-2010, 02:21 AM)Kozuka All W201/W124 engine/transmission equipment is the same at most you will have to shorten the shifter linkage. But most M103/M104 swaps (into W201) with a W124 transmission didn't need to modify anything. W201/W124 only difference is the length of the chassis and the tail lights. So at most you will need to find the specific linkage and shifter but mostly everything else can be raided from a W201.
Drive shaft lengths are different between W201/W124 because the chassis is longer, the mounting of the drive shaft is the same.
Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.
(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
(05-06-2010, 06:43 PM)Kozuka(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
How is the engine position not the same, I'm using W124 om603 engine mounts? As for the Diff's it's already known that they use different bushings and axles but will bolt onto my 16v driveshaft...
(05-06-2010, 06:43 PM)Kozuka(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
How is the engine position not the same, I'm using W124 om603 engine mounts? As for the Diff's it's already known that they use different bushings and axles but will bolt onto my 16v driveshaft...
(05-06-2010, 07:00 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 06:43 PM)Kozuka(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
How is the engine position not the same, I'm using W124 om603 engine mounts? As for the Diff's it's already known that they use different bushings and axles but will bolt onto my 16v driveshaft...
In w124 6 syl engine is closer at firewall than 4 or 5syl. Why you ask me do you have 603 mountings? Then 16v had same size driveshaft that you found, but that doent mean at all have same size. Even a 200d has two sise driveshaft mounting size. Then there are 3 or 4 bolt connection.
So its not same what w124 you take the shaft?
And i dont mean just your car. Generally tell at there is lot of choises of those, at people dosent go ass forward on the three.
(05-06-2010, 07:00 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 06:43 PM)Kozuka(05-06-2010, 06:33 PM)jeemu(05-06-2010, 05:30 PM)KozukaYou said at the postion of a engine is the same, but its not.(05-06-2010, 03:26 PM)jeemu(04-28-2010, 01:22 PM)Kozuka Transmission stuff is the same between all inline engines W124/W201. The position of the engine and transmission is the same the only difference being the W124 has a longer nose giving a little more room in the front of the engine.Are you sure of that? 6 sylinder engines is closer firewall than 4 or 5 sylinders.
And CE has longer driveshaf rear part. So as asd diff ones.
My guess is probably that the front half is the same as a normal w201 but the back half is longer. It's a matter of wheelbase. As for the engine being closer to the firewall, I'm using a 201.034 (16v) drive shaft + Getrag Gearbox + OM603 in a W201 (practically pushing in the firewall and longest manual transmission) so engine length is not really a problem in W124/W201, there is going to be a length difference somewhere and I summarize that it's got to be the rear drive shaft half. Don't have a W201 & W124 drive shaft to prove a point, if you have both please prove me wrong.
Also the front piece on shaft lengt change if its a 4 or 5 speed box.
Also the rear pice change if it ce, or normal diff or a asd.
So as the rubber mountings are differend size (3 different size), so as the centre bore.
How is the engine position not the same, I'm using W124 om603 engine mounts? As for the Diff's it's already known that they use different bushings and axles but will bolt onto my 16v driveshaft...
In w124 6 syl engine is closer at firewall than 4 or 5syl. Why you ask me do you have 603 mountings? Then 16v had same size driveshaft that you found, but that doent mean at all have same size. Even a 200d has two sise driveshaft mounting size. Then there are 3 or 4 bolt connection.
So its not same what w124 you take the shaft?
And i dont mean just your car. Generally tell at there is lot of choises of those, at people dosent go ass forward on the three.
I converted one w201 originally 2.6 with the 603t + 2.6manualgearbox +2.65:1diff and still managed to use the car original propshaft, the only minimal differences were on the linkages that had to be cut short 7.5mm in each side and re-threaded, and new holes drilled for the gearbox support plate further to the rear of the car.