Where are the KITS? Parts to buy?
Where are the KITS? Parts to buy?
07-09-2010, 12:31 AM
#1
1985 300TD wagon California (yellow)
This post was last modified: 07-09-2010, 12:32 AM by patrickmanfred.
patrickmanfred
07-09-2010, 12:31 AM #1OK this is great, but I just want to buy the parts to bolt on and bomb my wagon! Who sells this stuff? No time to research. Anyone?
1985 300TD wagon California (yellow)
07-09-2010, 12:40 AM
#2
You bought the wrong car if your looking for "kits" to improve power and performance...
1985 300TD wagon California (yellow)**
**Research Required haha
If it was as easy as you think then lots more people would be driving these cars
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-09-2010, 12:40 AM #2Huh?
You bought the wrong car if your looking for "kits" to improve power and performance...
1985 300TD wagon California (yellow)**
**Research Required haha
If it was as easy as you think then lots more people would be driving these cars
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-09-2010, 01:03 AM
#3
patrickmanfred
07-09-2010, 01:03 AM #3Well I've had it for years. Found this site recently. Its all beyond me to figure it out. But I'd love to pay for someone else to!!!
07-09-2010, 01:12 AM
#4
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-09-2010, 01:12 AM #4Haha, well depending on how many miles are on the car and how well it has been maintained there are many things you can do to bring her to life. most things are just regular maintenance items that aren't kept up with. once things are restored to factory spec that is enough improvement for most... After that it costs money for upgrades depending on what your goals for the car are.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-09-2010, 01:17 AM
#5
I'd love to drop in a new motor that has been modified for increase HP.
The right Turbo: I'd buy it
Straight exhast: I'd buy it
Intake: I'd buy it
How much for the whole package?
patrickmanfred
07-09-2010, 01:17 AM #5Uh, well, how's 340,000 miles?? Just recently put in a 4spd tranny.
I'd love to drop in a new motor that has been modified for increase HP.
The right Turbo: I'd buy it
Straight exhast: I'd buy it
Intake: I'd buy it
How much for the whole package?
07-09-2010, 07:12 AM
#7
I love to go to the NHRA museum and look at and marvel at the old engines and vehilces to get ideas and marvel at the engineering that was invovlved. As others have said, research, research, research...I probably have a 10:1 ratio of research to physical work, in the end it pays.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
07-09-2010, 07:12 AM #7"Bombing" these vehicles is kind of like the golden age of hotrodding...We have to design and make our parts or swap from another vehicle to make improvements. THAT is part of the fun of doing this, I wish there were some performance parts available, but after building my own I get a lot of satisfaction knowing there is not aonther like it.
I love to go to the NHRA museum and look at and marvel at the old engines and vehilces to get ideas and marvel at the engineering that was invovlved. As others have said, research, research, research...I probably have a 10:1 ratio of research to physical work, in the end it pays.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
07-09-2010, 07:56 AM
#8
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Once I get a good setup I plan on selling kits. But its been 3 years and I haven't gotten far. Before $ was an issue. Now its time. Heh.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
07-09-2010, 10:04 AM
#9
You can buy a new motor but which one is right for you? depends on how much money you want to spend.
the right turbo? you want bottom end torque or top end power?
Straight exhaust? your gonna have to buy some sections of pipe and weld it yourself or go to an exhaust shop for that.
Intakes again depend on the motor and powerband goal.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-09-2010, 10:04 AM #9Well, rudolf summed it up nicely. The cool part is that YOU do the work, make custom parts, figure things out by lots of reading and planing, setting a goal and what your looking to achieve and then doing what it takes to get there. I guarantee you there is no one MBZ that is the same here for that very reason, while Civics are a dime a dozen...
You can buy a new motor but which one is right for you? depends on how much money you want to spend.
the right turbo? you want bottom end torque or top end power?
Straight exhaust? your gonna have to buy some sections of pipe and weld it yourself or go to an exhaust shop for that.
Intakes again depend on the motor and powerband goal.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-10-2010, 12:53 PM
#10
If you wanna buy a kit to meg-out a car, then you'll need to buy a Subaru!
![[Image: 300TDnoplate.jpg]](http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z128/alastairhcii/300TDnoplate.jpg)
Alastair E
07-10-2010, 12:53 PM #10There are None!
If you wanna buy a kit to meg-out a car, then you'll need to buy a Subaru!
07-10-2010, 01:31 PM
#11
(07-10-2010, 12:53 PM)Alastair E There are None!
If you wanna buy a kit to meg-out a car, then you'll need to buy a Subaru!
Not to hijack, just a comment...
Out here they put Subaru's in Sandrails, rail buggies for those outside of So Cal, and they make mega power, but I can't get over how they sound like they are running on 3 of 4 cylinders
If you want info and have money then I can give you the first and you need to find the rest. I am not in this to make money, just to feed my habit - it's a drug!
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
07-10-2010, 01:31 PM #11(07-10-2010, 12:53 PM)Alastair E There are None!
If you wanna buy a kit to meg-out a car, then you'll need to buy a Subaru!
Not to hijack, just a comment...
Out here they put Subaru's in Sandrails, rail buggies for those outside of So Cal, and they make mega power, but I can't get over how they sound like they are running on 3 of 4 cylinders
If you want info and have money then I can give you the first and you need to find the rest. I am not in this to make money, just to feed my habit - it's a drug!
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
07-10-2010, 03:46 PM
#12
ForcedInduction
07-10-2010, 03:46 PM
#12
Kits for these cars are nearly non-existent except for crappy air filter scams. Everyone that modifies these cars does it in their own way by fabrication, experimentation and old-fashioned hard work.
07-10-2010, 09:42 PM
#13
I appreciate all your time effort and passion in creating these mods.
I used to have more time than money. Now its the other way around. People keep telling me I'm lucky. It doesn't work out when you can't just buy what you want!
I Guess, first things first for me is to get my 340k motor in good shape.
Can i buy a rebuilt one? Is anyone rebuilding these with any mods that will prepare it for more aggressive duty? I know someone is out there and has this down already.
patrickmanfred
07-10-2010, 09:42 PM #13Thanks guys.
I appreciate all your time effort and passion in creating these mods.
I used to have more time than money. Now its the other way around. People keep telling me I'm lucky. It doesn't work out when you can't just buy what you want!
I Guess, first things first for me is to get my 340k motor in good shape.
Can i buy a rebuilt one? Is anyone rebuilding these with any mods that will prepare it for more aggressive duty? I know someone is out there and has this down already.
07-11-2010, 05:21 AM
#14
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-11-2010, 05:21 AM #14You got it, do the maintenance first and if you want I'm sure you can find a rebuilt engine or pay someone to do the work for you.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-13-2010, 06:42 AM
#15
rebuilt engines from metric motors
This post was last modified: 07-13-2010, 06:43 AM by rdirtycar.
1983 light ivory/palomino 300d turbo
http://www.mercedesengines.net/products.asp?cat=40
rebuilt engines from metric motors
1983 light ivory/palomino 300d turbo
07-13-2010, 09:07 AM
#17
Retail Price: $7,850.00
Heck of a deal they're giving you off list price!
ForcedInduction
07-13-2010, 09:07 AM
#17
List Price: $7,850.00
Retail Price: $7,850.00
Heck of a deal they're giving you off list price!
07-13-2010, 10:20 AM
#18
(07-13-2010, 08:44 AM)winmutt Wow their prices have jumped.
(07-13-2010, 09:07 AM)ForcedInduction List Price: $7,850.00
Retail Price: $7,850.00
Heck of a deal they're giving you off list price!
When Charmalu purchased his motor back in 2007 it was $5,600. That was reasonable back then. Today, not even worth it (unless your car pristine and worth it). I think they just want to get out of the 617 business by jacking up the price.
Your better off rebuilding it yourself, and having the machining work, heads and IP done by a competent reputable shop.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
07-13-2010, 10:20 AM #18(07-13-2010, 08:44 AM)winmutt Wow their prices have jumped.
(07-13-2010, 09:07 AM)ForcedInduction List Price: $7,850.00
Retail Price: $7,850.00
Heck of a deal they're giving you off list price!
When Charmalu purchased his motor back in 2007 it was $5,600. That was reasonable back then. Today, not even worth it (unless your car pristine and worth it). I think they just want to get out of the 617 business by jacking up the price.
Your better off rebuilding it yourself, and having the machining work, heads and IP done by a competent reputable shop.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
07-13-2010, 03:26 PM
#20
(07-13-2010, 02:50 PM)rdirtycar aren't pistons a size over very hard to find?
I like the pictures on the metric motors site.
You can find them. They are out there.
Here are some part numbers.
Std - 6170301017
0.25 oversized - 6170301117
0.50 oversized - 6170301217
Pistons are a huge expense. If the old pistons are physically not worn and within spec on the ring lands, then they can be reused. New piston liners are a far and away cheaper route to go.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
07-13-2010, 03:26 PM #20(07-13-2010, 02:50 PM)rdirtycar aren't pistons a size over very hard to find?
I like the pictures on the metric motors site.
You can find them. They are out there.
Here are some part numbers.
Std - 6170301017
0.25 oversized - 6170301117
0.50 oversized - 6170301217
Pistons are a huge expense. If the old pistons are physically not worn and within spec on the ring lands, then they can be reused. New piston liners are a far and away cheaper route to go.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
07-13-2010, 03:50 PM
#21
(07-13-2010, 03:26 PM)DeliveryValve(07-13-2010, 02:50 PM)rdirtycar aren't pistons a size over very hard to find?
I like the pictures on the metric motors site.
You can find them. They are out there.
Here are some part numbers.
Std - 6170301017
0.25 oversized - 6170301117
0.50 oversized - 6170301217
Pistons are a huge expense. If the old pistons are physically not worn and within spec on the ring lands, then they can be reused. New piston liners are a far and away cheaper route to go.
.
by piston liners you mean the rings?
I have two 617.952's behind my house. Love to rebuild one of them..
This post was last modified: 07-13-2010, 03:51 PM by rdirtycar.
1983 light ivory/palomino 300d turbo
(07-13-2010, 03:26 PM)DeliveryValve(07-13-2010, 02:50 PM)rdirtycar aren't pistons a size over very hard to find?
I like the pictures on the metric motors site.
You can find them. They are out there.
Here are some part numbers.
Std - 6170301017
0.25 oversized - 6170301117
0.50 oversized - 6170301217
Pistons are a huge expense. If the old pistons are physically not worn and within spec on the ring lands, then they can be reused. New piston liners are a far and away cheaper route to go.
.
by piston liners you mean the rings?
I have two 617.952's behind my house. Love to rebuild one of them..
1983 light ivory/palomino 300d turbo
07-13-2010, 05:11 PM
#22
(07-13-2010, 03:50 PM)rdirtycar by piston liners you mean the rings?
I have two 617.952's behind my house. Love to rebuild one of them..
No, piston liners or cylinder liners.
These will wear and in order to use standard piston sizes you will need to reline the block.
Of course you will need new rings and piston pins also.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
07-13-2010, 05:11 PM #22(07-13-2010, 03:50 PM)rdirtycar by piston liners you mean the rings?
I have two 617.952's behind my house. Love to rebuild one of them..
No, piston liners or cylinder liners.
These will wear and in order to use standard piston sizes you will need to reline the block.
Of course you will need new rings and piston pins also.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
07-13-2010, 05:45 PM
#23
(07-13-2010, 05:11 PM)DeliveryValve(07-13-2010, 03:50 PM)rdirtycar by piston liners you mean the rings?
I have two 617.952's behind my house. Love to rebuild one of them..
No, piston liners or cylinder liners.
These will wear and in order to use standard piston sizes you will need to reline the block.
Of course you will need new rings and piston pins also.
.
use standard liners, of course, instead of paying someone to bore a block they're probably not familiar with.
1983 light ivory/palomino 300d turbo
(07-13-2010, 05:11 PM)DeliveryValve(07-13-2010, 03:50 PM)rdirtycar by piston liners you mean the rings?
I have two 617.952's behind my house. Love to rebuild one of them..
No, piston liners or cylinder liners.
These will wear and in order to use standard piston sizes you will need to reline the block.
Of course you will need new rings and piston pins also.
.
use standard liners, of course, instead of paying someone to bore a block they're probably not familiar with.
1983 light ivory/palomino 300d turbo
07-13-2010, 09:47 PM
#24
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
07-13-2010, 09:47 PM #24the lines are a factory part just remove the old ones first!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
07-15-2010, 05:40 PM
#25
If you want little bit, just put an om603 in it, or if you want really powerful put an om606 on it
. if you have skills to tune, you can get a lot power of a five cylinder too
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
Just forged that iron engine and put engin that give you power
If you want little bit, just put an om603 in it, or if you want really powerful put an om606 on it . if you have skills to tune, you can get a lot power of a five cylinder too
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
07-16-2010, 07:36 AM
#27
(07-16-2010, 07:08 AM)muuris You guys think that nearly $6k is still reasonable for a rebuilt OM617?
For a long block? By metric motors or OE? Maybe. Otherwise hell no. Personally I'd rather pay $1000 for 150k or lower engine.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(07-16-2010, 07:08 AM)muuris You guys think that nearly $6k is still reasonable for a rebuilt OM617?
For a long block? By metric motors or OE? Maybe. Otherwise hell no. Personally I'd rather pay $1000 for 150k or lower engine.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
07-16-2010, 07:55 AM
#28
(07-16-2010, 07:36 AM)winmutt Personally I'd rather pay $1000 for 150k or lower engine.
Ditto. No way is $6k worth it except in a cherry. That kind of money would buy another 300D in very nice condition or a beater with a nice race budget.
ForcedInduction
07-16-2010, 07:55 AM
#28
(07-16-2010, 07:36 AM)winmutt Personally I'd rather pay $1000 for 150k or lower engine.
Ditto. No way is $6k worth it except in a cherry. That kind of money would buy another 300D in very nice condition or a beater with a nice race budget.
07-16-2010, 05:57 PM
#29
EDIT: a nice, rust-free W123 rolling chassis with near-mint interior is worth only about $2k..
This post was last modified: 07-16-2010, 05:59 PM by GREASY_BEAST.
GREASY_BEAST
07-16-2010, 05:57 PM #29$6k is way too much to spend on any W123... I could see spending that on the right diesel W202 or W140 but not a W123. And muuris, if I had $20k to spend on a car, $12k of it would probably go towards a 500hp OM606... but I don't.
EDIT: a nice, rust-free W123 rolling chassis with near-mint interior is worth only about $2k..
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