OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617?
OM606 bellhousing - is it the same as an OM617?
The other question I have is whether the crankshaft bolt pattern for bolting up the flywheel or flexplate is the same.
Many thanks!
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
09-29-2010, 03:06 PM #1The Subject line says it all. I'm trying to determine if a transmission, or say a custom transmission adapter kit, designed for an OM617 will work with an OM606.
The other question I have is whether the crankshaft bolt pattern for bolting up the flywheel or flexplate is the same.
Many thanks!
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
I'd like to buy and build an automatic prior to the swap to reduce downtime. The bummer is that 722.608 cores are rare and spendy - so I was hoping to run a GM transmission to solve that problem AND allow me to turn the wick up on the engine later down the road. Not to mention once I ditch the car due to rust/rot, I could put the engine and GM transmission in just about anything.
Thanks for your input, guys!
Back to the drawing board...
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
09-30-2010, 07:28 AM #4Dang it.
I'd like to buy and build an automatic prior to the swap to reduce downtime. The bummer is that 722.608 cores are rare and spendy - so I was hoping to run a GM transmission to solve that problem AND allow me to turn the wick up on the engine later down the road. Not to mention once I ditch the car due to rust/rot, I could put the engine and GM transmission in just about anything.
Thanks for your input, guys!
Back to the drawing board...
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
Thanks,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-01-2010, 09:58 AM #5Is the M104.995 or M112.941 compatible with the OM606 bellhousing pattern?
Thanks,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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Happen to have the intermediate plate from between the block and the trans? It should be as simple as creating a hybrid intermediate that has the 60X block pattern on one side, and the 61X trans pattern on the other.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Merc...%20kit.jpg
This bolts right to the engine with no intermediate plate...so if the OM617 and OM606 are the same pattern on the block...I will be golden.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-01-2010, 08:35 PM #8Check out this picture URL:
http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Merc...%20kit.jpg
This bolts right to the engine with no intermediate plate...so if the OM617 and OM606 are the same pattern on the block...I will be golden.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
EDIT:
Looks to be the same, but doesn't seem to use the top 2 mounting bolt locations. from what I can see.
From a cursory glance the 12mm dowel holes are in the same place as well, as are the mounting locations to the cast bottom pan.
I'd say you're golden!
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Give me a few to check that pic, I've been up to my ears in 617 intermediate plates this month...
EDIT:
Looks to be the same, but doesn't seem to use the top 2 mounting bolt locations. from what I can see.
From a cursory glance the 12mm dowel holes are in the same place as well, as are the mounting locations to the cast bottom pan.
I'd say you're golden!
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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I guess all I did was confirm it was for the intended 617.. :/
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Whoops, I thought that kit was for a 606...
I guess all I did was confirm it was for the intended 617.. :/
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In the meantime, I've been emailing a few folks selling bad OM606 engines on craigslist. I'm hoping to find one for a few hundred bucks so I can have the folks in MN make a CAD/CAM file of the OM606 bellhousing and crankshaft pattern...then making an adapter plate will be a walk in the park.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-04-2010, 08:00 AM #12Bummer.
In the meantime, I've been emailing a few folks selling bad OM606 engines on craigslist. I'm hoping to find one for a few hundred bucks so I can have the folks in MN make a CAD/CAM file of the OM606 bellhousing and crankshaft pattern...then making an adapter plate will be a walk in the park.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
Is it a fairly safe assumption that this NA OM606 and my turbocharged OM606.962 will be identical as far as the engine block's bolt pattern at the bellhousing and the crankshaft flange where it bolts to the flexplate/flywheel...?
Your input on this would be most appreciated.
Thanks!
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-04-2010, 10:44 AM #13OK - I managed to find an OM606 out of a '96 E300 with a bad block. I'm waiting on pics in the meantime.
Is it a fairly safe assumption that this NA OM606 and my turbocharged OM606.962 will be identical as far as the engine block's bolt pattern at the bellhousing and the crankshaft flange where it bolts to the flexplate/flywheel...?
Your input on this would be most appreciated.
Thanks!
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
I'm pretty sure the OM602,603,606 blocks are all the same from the middle, back.
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-06-2010, 09:13 AM #16Attached is a picture taken by the seller of the junk NA OM606 engine I'm probably going to buy. The OM606 has the bellhousing cast right into the block...it also has an interesting flywheel/flexplate combo.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
Would be up to you to get the exact crank position though.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
If you can get me the front part of a bellhousing, I can probe it out and get a good housing pattern.
Would be up to you to get the exact crank position though.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
(10-06-2010, 02:43 PM)300D50 If you can get me the front part of a bellhousing, I can probe it out and get a good housing pattern.
Would be up to you to get the exact crank position though.
Thanks for the offer! Do you have access to a CMM setup?
I was thinking of using a vertical mill with a DRO to come up with some measurements.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-06-2010, 02:57 PM #18(10-06-2010, 02:43 PM)300D50 If you can get me the front part of a bellhousing, I can probe it out and get a good housing pattern.
Would be up to you to get the exact crank position though.
Thanks for the offer! Do you have access to a CMM setup?
I was thinking of using a vertical mill with a DRO to come up with some measurements.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
A DRO and an edge finder would work as well, would just need to do the math to get a center point for each hole. Autocad can import points from a spreadsheet in that case, and you can best-fit most of the holes. The critical ones are the dowels, so those should be pinned for diameter/measured with micrometers as well. You can do a good estimate of the crank using only the housing pattern, it's just a bit difficult to explain.
I'd do the probe for nothing since I'm interested in adapting a 60x to my Mitsubishi trans at some point, you'd need to pick up the tab on shipping though.
It all boils down to what is easiest for you.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
I currently have access to a CMM, just need something that's clean and easily fixtured.
A DRO and an edge finder would work as well, would just need to do the math to get a center point for each hole. Autocad can import points from a spreadsheet in that case, and you can best-fit most of the holes. The critical ones are the dowels, so those should be pinned for diameter/measured with micrometers as well. You can do a good estimate of the crank using only the housing pattern, it's just a bit difficult to explain.
I'd do the probe for nothing since I'm interested in adapting a 60x to my Mitsubishi trans at some point, you'd need to pick up the tab on shipping though.
It all boils down to what is easiest for you.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
I'm thinking of trying this for a rudimentary CMM:
http://www.david-laserscanner.com/
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-07-2010, 06:52 AM #20Cool - thanks for the offer. It sounds like you have access to some neat equipment.
I'm thinking of trying this for a rudimentary CMM:
http://www.david-laserscanner.com/
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
Now if only it ran in Linux, I'd port it to my phone...
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Sweet! That looks like a very interesting program..
Now if only it ran in Linux, I'd port it to my phone...
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
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