oil-pan sump options for om617s?
oil-pan sump options for om617s?
Very interested in options that would provide additional clearance regarding these front oil-pan sumps.
I found a potential solution:
in the pic, the sump is rotated forward, but don't see it couldn't be rotated towards the rear or the drivers side for better front pumpkin clearance.
If anyone has any other options/mods, please post up...
thanks,
manny
(05-12-2010, 07:55 PM)mr_manny but don't see it couldn't be rotated towards the rear or the drivers side for better front pumpkin clearance.
(05-12-2010, 07:55 PM)mr_manny but don't see it couldn't be rotated towards the rear or the drivers side for better front pumpkin clearance.
(05-15-2010, 03:39 PM)GREASY_BEAST Dry-sump?
(05-15-2010, 03:39 PM)GREASY_BEAST Dry-sump?
Found this sweet LandRover/om617 build...rig appears to have stock to mild lift.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/sh...tcount=120
looks like a simple modification of the lower-sump may be all that is needed
(05-16-2010, 03:03 PM)mr_manny Found this sweet LandRover/om617 build...rig appears to have stock to mild lift.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/sh...tcount=120
looks like a simple modification of the lower-sump may be all that is needed
i'm doing the same swap and have some issue with clearance. right now my steering setup is the limiting factor for compression . i have a little room due to spring over, but the rotated pinion reduces clearance again. i was thinking of removing the passenger side corner from the oil pan and making up for lost capacity by maybe adding an extra oil cooler....
do you have a writeup anywhere for your build?
(05-16-2010, 03:03 PM)mr_manny Found this sweet LandRover/om617 build...rig appears to have stock to mild lift.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/sh...tcount=120
looks like a simple modification of the lower-sump may be all that is needed
Thats the key, all about the lift. Also move axel forward, and motor back.
fj four o,
No build thread yet...maybe in another month, need to pull original motor 1st.
anyone want to buy a 2f :p
The land-rover mod seems like a pretty clean solution, also an opportunity to beef up the bottom of the pan.
thanks for the tip sour diesel,
Hoping to get away with a mild lift (less then 4")...not looking forward to pulling myself into my rig when I'm 60 :p
Contemplating a minimal body-lift to gain flat-belly.
Will get a better idea during mock-up.
(05-25-2010, 12:07 AM)mr_manny fj four o,
No build thread yet...maybe in another month, need to pull original motor 1st.
anyone want to buy a 2f :p
The land-rover mod seems like a pretty clean solution, also an opportunity to beef up the bottom of the pan.
thanks for the tip sour diesel,
Hoping to get away with a mild lift (less then 4")...not looking forward to pulling myself into my rig when I'm 60 :p
Contemplating a minimal body-lift to gain flat-belly.
Will get a better idea during mock-up.
mine is mocked and installed, if you have any questions or need pics let me know.
(05-25-2010, 12:07 AM)mr_manny fj four o,
No build thread yet...maybe in another month, need to pull original motor 1st.
anyone want to buy a 2f :p
The land-rover mod seems like a pretty clean solution, also an opportunity to beef up the bottom of the pan.
thanks for the tip sour diesel,
Hoping to get away with a mild lift (less then 4")...not looking forward to pulling myself into my rig when I'm 60 :p
Contemplating a minimal body-lift to gain flat-belly.
Will get a better idea during mock-up.
I would be very cautious about re-designing the sump on an oil pan, especially in an off-road situation.
Extreme descent/ascent angles will starve the engine for oil for fairly long periods of time.
E300TSC,
The modifications are kinda mild...checkout the expeditionportal link.
An oil accumulator would remove any off-camber concerns...wonder If I have room :p
http://treperformance.com/c-62634-oil-sy...ators.html
fj four o,
Any info would be appreciated
shoot you a pm. when I'm done with this out-of-state project...
(05-27-2010, 06:04 PM)mr_manny E300TSC,
The modifications are kinda mild...checkout the expeditionportal link.
An oil accumulator would remove any off-camber concerns...wonder If I have room :p
http://treperformance.com/c-62634-oil-sy...ators.html
fj four o,
Any info would be appreciated
shoot you a pm. when I'm done with this out-of-state project...
(05-27-2010, 06:04 PM)mr_manny E300TSC,
The modifications are kinda mild...checkout the expeditionportal link.
An oil accumulator would remove any off-camber concerns...wonder If I have room :p
http://treperformance.com/c-62634-oil-sy...ators.html
fj four o,
Any info would be appreciated
shoot you a pm. when I'm done with this out-of-state project...
(05-21-2011, 08:34 AM)saburai Hi Mr. Manny!
What 4x4 are you putting the om617 in to?
(05-24-2011, 12:39 AM)fj four o(05-27-2010, 06:04 PM)mr_manny E300TSC,
The modifications are kinda mild...checkout the expeditionportal link.
An oil accumulator would remove any off-camber concerns...wonder If I have room :p
http://treperformance.com/c-62634-oil-sy...ators.html
fj four o,
Any info would be appreciated
shoot you a pm. when I'm done with this out-of-state project...
manny, i took a notch out of the pan at the front. its not ideal because i do lose some oil capacity, but it does give me clearance to my 4x4 labs high steer. as you know by now, i'm not a great communicator, but i may be able to post a pic if you are still in need.
(05-21-2011, 08:34 AM)saburai Hi Mr. Manny!
What 4x4 are you putting the om617 in to?
(05-24-2011, 12:39 AM)fj four o(05-27-2010, 06:04 PM)mr_manny E300TSC,
The modifications are kinda mild...checkout the expeditionportal link.
An oil accumulator would remove any off-camber concerns...wonder If I have room :p
http://treperformance.com/c-62634-oil-sy...ators.html
fj four o,
Any info would be appreciated
shoot you a pm. when I'm done with this out-of-state project...
manny, i took a notch out of the pan at the front. its not ideal because i do lose some oil capacity, but it does give me clearance to my 4x4 labs high steer. as you know by now, i'm not a great communicator, but i may be able to post a pic if you are still in need.
wanted to post another option thats available - narrowed oil-pan:
http://mercedesdiesel4x4.com/Products.aspx
(05-25-2011, 08:39 AM)mr_manny wanted to post another option thats available - narrowed oil-pan:
http://mercedesdiesel4x4.com/Products.aspx
(05-25-2011, 08:39 AM)mr_manny wanted to post another option thats available - narrowed oil-pan:
http://mercedesdiesel4x4.com/Products.aspx
thanks...she looks purdy from afar :p
with regard to oil-pan clearance:
I've also switched to fj60 axles = moved my front diff 1 1/2" to the passenger-side
reducing the likely hood of smacking the oil-pan against your front diff is always a good thing
yeah, i have luke's setup. i'm pretty tight on compression clearance because i'm trying to stay low. we'll see how that works out, may have to jack it up some. maybe get some pics up this weekend.
still no pic of installation. i only get about 3" max up travel before disaster.
i'll need to monitor the heft of the stock bump stops or replace with something more burly.
nice cruiser manny!
(06-08-2011, 02:22 AM)fj four o
still no pic of installation. i only get about 3" max up travel before disaster.
i'll need to monitor the heft of the stock bump stops or replace with something more burly.
nice cruiser manny!
(06-08-2011, 02:22 AM)fj four o
still no pic of installation. i only get about 3" max up travel before disaster.
i'll need to monitor the heft of the stock bump stops or replace with something more burly.
nice cruiser manny!
(05-25-2010, 04:01 PM)winmutt Cough, suprised no one has mentioned the Gwagen pan....The W460 300GD G-wagen has a single peice sump without the separate steel oil pan . It is virtually the same layout as the car part but has runners inside to channel the oil back to the sump quicker . A mate in ireland sells used G-wagens as part of his buisness. You could ask him if he has any used ones for sale.
(05-25-2010, 04:01 PM)winmutt Cough, suprised no one has mentioned the Gwagen pan....The W460 300GD G-wagen has a single peice sump without the separate steel oil pan . It is virtually the same layout as the car part but has runners inside to channel the oil back to the sump quicker . A mate in ireland sells used G-wagens as part of his buisness. You could ask him if he has any used ones for sale.
(06-11-2011, 10:48 AM)kmaser The 300GD oil pan is for a N/A OM617 and has no provision for the oil drain back and does not physically bolt up.Eddie might have some spares as he handles a lot of the W460's and there are a lot of them are converted to M117's. The sand cast pan is thick enough to drill and tap for anything. i guess you mean the turbo return Line? . I am curious though,where doesn't it fit up to the car block ?
(06-11-2011, 10:48 AM)kmaser The 300GD oil pan is for a N/A OM617 and has no provision for the oil drain back and does not physically bolt up.Eddie might have some spares as he handles a lot of the W460's and there are a lot of them are converted to M117's. The sand cast pan is thick enough to drill and tap for anything. i guess you mean the turbo return Line? . I am curious though,where doesn't it fit up to the car block ?
(06-11-2011, 06:07 PM)RonB(06-11-2011, 10:48 AM)kmaser The 300GD oil pan is for a N/A OM617 and has no provision for the oil drain back and does not physically bolt up.Eddie might have some spares as he handles a lot of the W460's and there are a lot of them are converted to M117's. The sand cast pan is thick enough to drill and tap for anything. i guess you mean the turbo return Line? . I am curious though,where doesn't it fit up to the car block ?
Or do you mean the pan would hit his diff?
(06-11-2011, 06:07 PM)RonB(06-11-2011, 10:48 AM)kmaser The 300GD oil pan is for a N/A OM617 and has no provision for the oil drain back and does not physically bolt up.Eddie might have some spares as he handles a lot of the W460's and there are a lot of them are converted to M117's. The sand cast pan is thick enough to drill and tap for anything. i guess you mean the turbo return Line? . I am curious though,where doesn't it fit up to the car block ?
Or do you mean the pan would hit his diff?
(06-11-2011, 11:33 PM)Syncro_GDifferent lengths? thats new one on me, mainly because we never had them here . There is close to 6" inches of cleanrance under a 300GD to the sump from the diff head ( at least on the one i have here there and it hasn't been lifted) .(06-11-2011, 06:07 PM)RonB(06-11-2011, 10:48 AM)kmaser The 300GD oil pan is for a N/A OM617 and has no provision for the oil drain back and does not physically bolt up.Eddie might have some spares as he handles a lot of the W460's and there are a lot of them are converted to M117's. The sand cast pan is thick enough to drill and tap for anything. i guess you mean the turbo return Line? . I am curious though,where doesn't it fit up to the car block ?
Or do you mean the pan would hit his diff?
The turbo and non turbo blocks are of different lengths. So it's not a simple issue of drilling and tapping. The G-wagon folks either fix the problem with extra bump stops--limiting suspension travel or make/buy custom engine mounts to position the turbo motor a little further forward.
(06-11-2011, 11:33 PM)Syncro_GDifferent lengths? thats new one on me, mainly because we never had them here . There is close to 6" inches of cleanrance under a 300GD to the sump from the diff head ( at least on the one i have here there and it hasn't been lifted) .(06-11-2011, 06:07 PM)RonB(06-11-2011, 10:48 AM)kmaser The 300GD oil pan is for a N/A OM617 and has no provision for the oil drain back and does not physically bolt up.Eddie might have some spares as he handles a lot of the W460's and there are a lot of them are converted to M117's. The sand cast pan is thick enough to drill and tap for anything. i guess you mean the turbo return Line? . I am curious though,where doesn't it fit up to the car block ?
Or do you mean the pan would hit his diff?
The turbo and non turbo blocks are of different lengths. So it's not a simple issue of drilling and tapping. The G-wagon folks either fix the problem with extra bump stops--limiting suspension travel or make/buy custom engine mounts to position the turbo motor a little further forward.
(06-12-2011, 12:35 AM)RonB Different lengths? thats new one on me, mainly because we never had them here . There is close to 6" inches of cleanrance under a 300GD to the sump from the diff head ( at least on the one i have here there and it hasn't been lifted) .
How much longer is a turbo block?
I'll have to dig into the EPC and check the part numbers although the turbo block is a different casting to accomodate the piston cooling vents ,I wouldn't have though the engines were longer.
(06-12-2011, 12:35 AM)RonB Different lengths? thats new one on me, mainly because we never had them here . There is close to 6" inches of cleanrance under a 300GD to the sump from the diff head ( at least on the one i have here there and it hasn't been lifted) .
How much longer is a turbo block?
I'll have to dig into the EPC and check the part numbers although the turbo block is a different casting to accomodate the piston cooling vents ,I wouldn't have though the engines were longer.
Thanks Ron,
Currently going through cruiser withdrawal, but know she will be worth the wait
BTW,
Another option is a narrowed pan from these guys:
http://mercedesdiesel4x4.com/MB102.aspx
no affiliation,
manny
(06-12-2011, 03:58 PM)mr_manny Thanks Ron,As a matter of interest i worked on the toyota FJ40's when they were new . A mate here in OZ had the very first landcruiser delivered to Australia .it was complete with a brass plaque signifying this . These early ones are very simple,kind of like comparing a Ford GP from 1945 to a wrangler today. Just like a car needs to be..
Currently going through cruiser withdrawal, but know she will be worth the wait
BTW,
Another option is a narrowed pan from these guys:
http://mercedesdiesel4x4.com/MB102.aspx
no affiliation,
manny
(06-12-2011, 03:58 PM)mr_manny Thanks Ron,As a matter of interest i worked on the toyota FJ40's when they were new . A mate here in OZ had the very first landcruiser delivered to Australia .it was complete with a brass plaque signifying this . These early ones are very simple,kind of like comparing a Ford GP from 1945 to a wrangler today. Just like a car needs to be..
Currently going through cruiser withdrawal, but know she will be worth the wait
BTW,
Another option is a narrowed pan from these guys:
http://mercedesdiesel4x4.com/MB102.aspx
no affiliation,
manny
front oil sump not an issue on the Rubicon Trail
some vids for your viewing pleasure :
http://youtu.be/dtYQe7ZLoG4
http://youtu.be/R8ud0T49Xt4
manny, that's the best set of om617/ landcruiser videos i've seen yet! good work. the orion t case seems to be doing the trick. did you ever use the bump stops to save the oil pan?
Looks good!
(07-20-2011, 11:57 PM)fj four o manny, that's the best set of om617/ landcruiser videos i've seen yet! good work. the orion t case seems to be doing the trick. did you ever use the bump stops to save the oil pan?
(07-20-2011, 11:57 PM)fj four o manny, that's the best set of om617/ landcruiser videos i've seen yet! good work. the orion t case seems to be doing the trick. did you ever use the bump stops to save the oil pan?
That crawl ratio is insane! I would go nuts and end up with the peddle to the floor boostin everywhere!