87 190D auto trans to manual
87 190D auto trans to manual
06-09-2009, 11:04 PM
#2
(06-09-2009, 08:53 PM)Jtn190D Hi all im wondering if any of you have ever changed 87 190D 2.5 turbo auto trans to a manual one. I'm realy thinking of doing just not sure how to start, im looking to improve my MPG's a lot not sure if its the best way.
it should be relatively straight forward... as long as you have access to a few part yards that have cars with manuals in them... your engine has the more prevalent drivers side starter so there are many more donors to be had...
This post was last modified: 06-09-2009, 11:05 PM by SurfRodder.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
06-09-2009, 11:04 PM #2(06-09-2009, 08:53 PM)Jtn190D Hi all im wondering if any of you have ever changed 87 190D 2.5 turbo auto trans to a manual one. I'm realy thinking of doing just not sure how to start, im looking to improve my MPG's a lot not sure if its the best way.
it should be relatively straight forward... as long as you have access to a few part yards that have cars with manuals in them... your engine has the more prevalent drivers side starter so there are many more donors to be had...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
06-10-2009, 09:40 AM
#4
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
06-10-2009, 09:40 AM #4I believe the 190D actually was available with a 5 speed... someone else will probably chime in on that, but I'd start there... if you cant find one of those, I'd start searching what other models had that same trans...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
06-13-2009, 09:46 PM
#6
I too have a 2.5 Turbo and am itching to swap it to a manual
look for any 8, 10, 12V 5-speed manual transmission, they all fit.
flywheels all work, but find a 2.2 or 2.5 Diesel if you can. other than that - standard parts is all you need.
if you end up doing the swap - keep me updated as I have no idea where to start either!
1976 W115 medium red/tan 240D (undergoing M117 heart transplant)
1989 BMW E30 327iC SETA 5MT
1987 white/black 190D Turbo Diesel - Recaro 16V seats, Monoblocks, 11PSI.
2009 white/black C63 ///AMG
1987 BMW E30 325E M50B25NV 24V swap 5MT. 5 lug.
1999 white/grey ML430
1991 BMW E30 318i 5MT (Beater)
1990 BMW E34 525i 5MT
1997 red/black/black SL600
the only 190Ds that came with a manual in this country were the 2.2 and very rarely the 2.5 N/A
I too have a 2.5 Turbo and am itching to swap it to a manual
look for any 8, 10, 12V 5-speed manual transmission, they all fit.
flywheels all work, but find a 2.2 or 2.5 Diesel if you can. other than that - standard parts is all you need.
if you end up doing the swap - keep me updated as I have no idea where to start either!
1976 W115 medium red/tan 240D (undergoing M117 heart transplant)
1989 BMW E30 327iC SETA 5MT
1987 white/black 190D Turbo Diesel - Recaro 16V seats, Monoblocks, 11PSI.
2009 white/black C63 ///AMG
1987 BMW E30 325E M50B25NV 24V swap 5MT. 5 lug.
1999 white/grey ML430
1991 BMW E30 318i 5MT (Beater)
1990 BMW E34 525i 5MT
1997 red/black/black SL600
06-13-2009, 11:42 PM
#7
(06-13-2009, 09:46 PM)2.5-10 the only 190Ds that came with a manual in this country were the 2.2 and very rarely the 2.5 N/A
I too have a 2.5 Turbo and am itching to swap it to a manual
look for any 8, 10, 12V 5-speed manual transmission, they all fit.
flywheels all work, but find a 2.2 or 2.5 Diesel if you can. other than that - standard parts is all you need.
if you end up doing the swap - keep me updated as I have no idea where to start either!
you will probably need:
transmission
shifter assembly with shift rods
pedal cluster
slave cylinder and hyd lines
flywheel /pressure plate
clutch disc
and the longer driveshaft
and thats just the major bits..
if you want it with the shift light and the neutral/clutch safety switch
and other stuff.. even more parts..
the best way is to have a donor car ( or junkyard donor car )
and get everything you need
I am collecting parts to do the manual swap in my OM603/W124
cars
1991 W126 350SDL turbodiesel
1987 W124 E300D turbodiesel
1987 W126 300SDL turbodiesel
1984 W107 SL300D turbodiesel
1974 W115 /8 300D diesel
trucks
2001 Dodge RAM 3500 4x4 Cummins turbodiesel
boats
1974 Uniflite "Salty Dog" powered by
2x OM617.951 Mercedes Benz 5Cyl turbodiesels
oel_brenner
06-13-2009, 11:42 PM #7(06-13-2009, 09:46 PM)2.5-10 the only 190Ds that came with a manual in this country were the 2.2 and very rarely the 2.5 N/A
I too have a 2.5 Turbo and am itching to swap it to a manual
look for any 8, 10, 12V 5-speed manual transmission, they all fit.
flywheels all work, but find a 2.2 or 2.5 Diesel if you can. other than that - standard parts is all you need.
if you end up doing the swap - keep me updated as I have no idea where to start either!
you will probably need:
transmission
shifter assembly with shift rods
pedal cluster
slave cylinder and hyd lines
flywheel /pressure plate
clutch disc
and the longer driveshaft
and thats just the major bits..
if you want it with the shift light and the neutral/clutch safety switch
and other stuff.. even more parts..
the best way is to have a donor car ( or junkyard donor car )
and get everything you need
I am collecting parts to do the manual swap in my OM603/W124
cars
1991 W126 350SDL turbodiesel
1987 W124 E300D turbodiesel
1987 W126 300SDL turbodiesel
1984 W107 SL300D turbodiesel
1974 W115 /8 300D diesel
trucks
2001 Dodge RAM 3500 4x4 Cummins turbodiesel
boats
1974 Uniflite "Salty Dog" powered by
2x OM617.951 Mercedes Benz 5Cyl turbodiesels
06-17-2009, 12:41 PM
#9
(06-17-2009, 07:39 AM)Jtn190D Where would be a good place to look for these parts?
your local part yard... auto dismantler (junk) yards that specialize in german cars are a good place to start, but around here (SoCal) theres usually quite a few in the 'regular' pick and pull yards. plus the specialty places ususally pull parts for you and as such cost a bit more...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
06-17-2009, 12:41 PM #9(06-17-2009, 07:39 AM)Jtn190D Where would be a good place to look for these parts?
your local part yard... auto dismantler (junk) yards that specialize in german cars are a good place to start, but around here (SoCal) theres usually quite a few in the 'regular' pick and pull yards. plus the specialty places ususally pull parts for you and as such cost a bit more...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
08-19-2009, 09:38 AM
#10
If you don't know exactly all of the parts that you will need, your best bet is to have the parts donor car sitting nearby when you do the swap. There are enough "small" parts needed to make the job frustrating if you have to keep running back to the dealer and/or junkyard. This swap can be accomplished with 100% factory correct parts - no fabrication should be necessary.
The other main item to be aware of are the gear ratios available in the transmissions and the rearends. The "diesel" spec 5-speeds for the 190's are geared "lower" than the gas-spec transmissions. The other issue is the rearends. The 2.5 Turbo 190D's had 2.65 rearends in the USA. That's the tallest ratio of any W201 car. You will be much better served by a lower ratio (higher numerically) rearend, unless you are building a land-speed record car.
I have personally performed this swap on 2 different '87 190D 2.5 Turbos. It's a great swap. The power of the 2.5Turbo is nice, and the versatility of the 5-speed can't be beat.
If you don't know exactly all of the parts that you will need, your best bet is to have the parts donor car sitting nearby when you do the swap. There are enough "small" parts needed to make the job frustrating if you have to keep running back to the dealer and/or junkyard. This swap can be accomplished with 100% factory correct parts - no fabrication should be necessary.
The other main item to be aware of are the gear ratios available in the transmissions and the rearends. The "diesel" spec 5-speeds for the 190's are geared "lower" than the gas-spec transmissions. The other issue is the rearends. The 2.5 Turbo 190D's had 2.65 rearends in the USA. That's the tallest ratio of any W201 car. You will be much better served by a lower ratio (higher numerically) rearend, unless you are building a land-speed record car.
12-02-2009, 02:55 PM
#12
(12-01-2009, 07:48 PM)Jtn190D Any pics?
Sorry, no pics of the actual swapping while it's going on, but I posted a couple of pics of a finished car on the other thread.
I also have all the parts to do this swap to another car if you are really interested. (fresh tranny, clutch, flywheel, shifter, rods, pedal cluster, driveshaft, crossmember, slave cyl, etc.).
Two guys could complete this entire swap in a day if they have done it before. If you have never done it, figure on a couple of weekends.
SteveM.
(12-01-2009, 07:48 PM)Jtn190D Any pics?
Sorry, no pics of the actual swapping while it's going on, but I posted a couple of pics of a finished car on the other thread.
I also have all the parts to do this swap to another car if you are really interested. (fresh tranny, clutch, flywheel, shifter, rods, pedal cluster, driveshaft, crossmember, slave cyl, etc.).
Two guys could complete this entire swap in a day if they have done it before. If you have never done it, figure on a couple of weekends.
SteveM.
12-07-2009, 01:51 PM
#15
(12-07-2009, 12:24 PM)Jtn190D Yes very interested in this, how much do you want for the parts? would this have everything i would need to perform the swap? more info would be helpful.
Where are you located? I have everything needed for the swap, but you might want to replace the hydraulic line between the master and slave cylinders. If you are interested, I'm confident we can work out a suitable price and shipping arrangements.
SteveM.
(12-07-2009, 12:24 PM)Jtn190D Yes very interested in this, how much do you want for the parts? would this have everything i would need to perform the swap? more info would be helpful.
Where are you located? I have everything needed for the swap, but you might want to replace the hydraulic line between the master and slave cylinders. If you are interested, I'm confident we can work out a suitable price and shipping arrangements.
SteveM.
12-08-2009, 01:45 PM
#18
George3soccer
12-08-2009, 01:45 PM #18Noice noice one more person added onto the manual list. Ill be complete with this swap after Dec. 17. I will let everyone in with pictures and information.
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