My OM617 Build
My OM617 Build
01-11-2012, 10:29 AM
#1
Here are the plans:
Ditch the GT2056V
Long tube exhaust
Holset HE351V
W115 Intake
A/A Intercooler
Progress:
Vac pump half removed, rack limiter removed, engine on a stand in the garage...
Pics to come...
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-11-2012, 10:29 AM #1I've got the engine out of my '82 300D, eventually it will be mated to my '89 Ranger's drivetrain.
Here are the plans:
Ditch the GT2056V
Long tube exhaust
Holset HE351V
W115 Intake
A/A Intercooler
Progress:
Vac pump half removed, rack limiter removed, engine on a stand in the garage...
Pics to come...
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-12-2012, 12:56 AM
#2
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
01-12-2012, 12:56 AM #2Read the IP doc, before you remove the rack limiter.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
01-12-2012, 09:04 AM
#3
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-12-2012, 09:04 AM #3Unfortunately it was sent to me literally 15 minutes after I pulled the limiter. I don't think it's going to go back in easily.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-18-2012, 10:11 PM
#4
![[Image: imga0028.jpg]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/imga0028.jpg/)
![[Image: imga0015n.jpg]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/imga0015n.jpg/)
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![[Image: imga0019b.jpg]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/338/imga0019b.jpg/)
Old turbo:
![[Image: imga0005.jpg]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/imga0005.jpg/)
Old Intake:
![[Image: imga0006.jpg]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/imga0006.jpg/)
![[Image: imga0011.jpg]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/imga0011.jpg/)
New Turbo:
![[Image: imga0030o.jpg]](http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/2257/imga0030o.jpg)
![[Image: imga0031.jpg]](http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/3856/imga0031.jpg)
![[Image: imga0032s.jpg]](http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7955/imga0032s.jpg)
![[Image: imga0033.jpg]](http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9242/imga0033.jpg)
![[Image: imga0034x.jpg]](http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5994/imga0034x.jpg)
This post was last modified: 01-18-2012, 10:29 PM by Simpler=Better.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-18-2012, 10:11 PM #4
Old turbo:
Old Intake:
New Turbo:
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-19-2012, 02:50 AM
#6
And some W/M injection? Sweet!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
01-19-2012, 02:50 AM #6Wow was that thing in the ocean?
And some W/M injection? Sweet!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
01-19-2012, 07:54 PM
#7
![[Image: vacpumphousing.jpg]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/vacpumphousing.jpg/)
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-19-2012, 07:54 PM #7Trimmed the vac pump housing today, now I've got to weld a plate onto it to make up a blockoff cap:
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-20-2012, 10:24 PM
#8
![[Image: manis.jpg]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/manis.jpg/)
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-20-2012, 10:24 PM #8
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-21-2012, 10:43 PM
#9
http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/alum...-rods.html
![[Image: vacplate2.jpg]](http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8409/vacplate2.jpg)
![[Image: vacplate5.jpg]](http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9986/vacplate5.jpg)
![[Image: vacplate7.jpg]](http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1773/vacplate7.jpg)
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
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01-21-2012, 10:43 PM #9Brazed the vacuum bllockoff cap together today, now I've just got to clean it up with the grinder:
http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/alum...-rods.html
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-24-2012, 10:24 PM
#10
I'm torn between piping the '78 N/A manifold with it's long runners to up near the alternator:
![[Image: img0491tn.jpg]](http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/685/img0491tn.jpg)
![[Image: img0494mf.jpg]](http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3305/img0494mf.jpg)
![[Image: img0500u.jpg]](http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/844/img0500u.jpg)
or...use the crappy stock exhaust manifold and get a W115 intake one day:
![[Image: img0503pf.jpg]](http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7161/img0503pf.jpg)
![[Image: img0505p.jpg]](http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5135/img0505p.jpg)
What do you guys think?
Also, I blocked off the heater return line to help with clearance issues :p
![[Image: img0509hn.jpg]](http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5660/img0509hn.jpg)
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-24-2012, 10:24 PM #10Where should I mount my turbo and what manifolds should I use?
I'm torn between piping the '78 N/A manifold with it's long runners to up near the alternator:
or...use the crappy stock exhaust manifold and get a W115 intake one day:
What do you guys think?
Also, I blocked off the heater return line to help with clearance issues :p
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-24-2012, 10:38 PM
#11
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
01-24-2012, 10:38 PM #11Mounting, supporting the weight, routing boost tubes, routing your exhaust, and making your oil drain will be much easier with it in the stock location.
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
01-29-2012, 08:12 PM
#12
![[Image: portsy.jpg]](http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/996/portsy.jpg)
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
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01-29-2012, 08:12 PM #12Lightly port matched the head tonight!
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-30-2012, 10:45 PM
#13
![[Image: img0516copygv.jpg]](http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4230/img0516copygv.jpg)
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![[Image: img0527ka.jpg]](http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6126/img0527ka.jpg)
Stock Valve Area:
![[Image: img0518copy.jpg]](http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2662/img0518copy.jpg)
![[Image: img0519copy.jpg]](http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2561/img0519copy.jpg)
Modified Valve Area:
![[Image: img0524copy.jpg]](http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3719/img0524copy.jpg)
![[Image: img0525copy.jpg]](http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2931/img0525copy.jpg)
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-30-2012, 10:45 PM #13I decided to pull the whole head so I could check the bores/ pistons/ prechambers and port the head. The bores are within ~0.0015" and everything looks great. Lightly ported the head, it's in the parts washer right now.
Stock Valve Area:
Modified Valve Area:
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-31-2012, 01:31 AM
#14
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
01-31-2012, 01:31 AM #14I have a spare w123 and a spare '84 ranger in my backyard, now you have me considering a project like this! Im just not sure what the smog requirements/laws are in california about this sort of thing
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
01-31-2012, 09:10 AM
#16
We will see how the HE351V spools
I have heard of people using it on 2.3L gas motors, so I should be able to use it with the 3.0L. I will be monitoring exhaust pressure as well as temperature.Does anyone know what exhaust pressure the valves start to float?
This post was last modified: 01-31-2012, 12:36 PM by Simpler=Better.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-31-2012, 09:10 AM #16Once I have everything put together I will be posting prints for the adapter plate and bearing alignment plug. Just be sure to put a 1984 or 1985 om617a into the 84 ranger and you're fine.
We will see how the HE351V spools I have heard of people using it on 2.3L gas motors, so I should be able to use it with the 3.0L. I will be monitoring exhaust pressure as well as temperature.
Does anyone know what exhaust pressure the valves start to float?
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-31-2012, 11:42 AM
#17
(01-31-2012, 09:10 AM)Simpler=Better We will see how the HE351V spools
Does anyone know what exhaust pressure the valves start to float?
I picked up a HE351VE to put on my 617a some day. I have looked through some ricer forums and some have tried to use them, none were monitoring the EMP.
Looking at the turbine, I see how I would "recalibrate" the turbine housing so it spools quicker with less EMP. I like the larger turbine dia as it will produce more torque with less pressure, the trick is to make all the exhaust have to flow through the outer half to 1/3 of the turbine diameter. That is where the Pitched portion of the blades are which will generate the most torque, the center of the turbine basically just about free flows, so you have to depend on the "paddle wheel" effect from the VNT to get the turbine to spool, which results in High EMPs.
If it does not work as well as you would like, feel free to contact me. I spent some time at a turbine engine R&D company long ago now. I even thought of making a new turbine wheel just for the 617 application, but the cost would be too much.
(01-31-2012, 09:10 AM)Simpler=Better We will see how the HE351V spools
Does anyone know what exhaust pressure the valves start to float?
I picked up a HE351VE to put on my 617a some day. I have looked through some ricer forums and some have tried to use them, none were monitoring the EMP.
Looking at the turbine, I see how I would "recalibrate" the turbine housing so it spools quicker with less EMP. I like the larger turbine dia as it will produce more torque with less pressure, the trick is to make all the exhaust have to flow through the outer half to 1/3 of the turbine diameter. That is where the Pitched portion of the blades are which will generate the most torque, the center of the turbine basically just about free flows, so you have to depend on the "paddle wheel" effect from the VNT to get the turbine to spool, which results in High EMPs.
If it does not work as well as you would like, feel free to contact me. I spent some time at a turbine engine R&D company long ago now. I even thought of making a new turbine wheel just for the 617 application, but the cost would be too much.
02-01-2012, 09:38 AM
#18
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
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02-01-2012, 09:38 AM #18Anyone need parts from a Ford 1989 2.9L V6?
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02-03-2012, 08:52 AM
#19
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02-03-2012, 08:52 AM #19How thick of a plate and what material would y'all recommend I make my adapter from?
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
02-03-2012, 04:38 PM
#20
(02-03-2012, 08:52 AM)Simpler=Better How thick of a plate and what material would y'all recommend I make my adapter from?
Measure it all using straight edges. You need to figure the stickout of the input shaft & an adapter for the throwout bearing. Do yourself a favor & get a small machinist ruler at Ace hardware for more precise measurements.
Ed
yankneck696
02-03-2012, 04:38 PM #20(02-03-2012, 08:52 AM)Simpler=Better How thick of a plate and what material would y'all recommend I make my adapter from?
Measure it all using straight edges. You need to figure the stickout of the input shaft & an adapter for the throwout bearing. Do yourself a favor & get a small machinist ruler at Ace hardware for more precise measurements.
Ed
02-06-2012, 09:59 AM
#21
![[Image: piston2.jpg]](http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4069/piston2.jpg)
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02-06-2012, 09:59 AM #21Not much porgress lately, just cleaning stuff:
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02-13-2012, 11:04 PM
#22
![[Image: blockheater1.jpg]](http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8673/blockheater1.jpg)
![[Image: blockheater2.jpg]](http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1885/blockheater2.jpg)
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02-13-2012, 11:04 PM #22Installed the OEM block heater today, along with a new main seal!
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
02-19-2012, 01:17 PM
#23
I am guessing you are planing on using the Ranger flywheel, I was doing the same swap but in 2wd using a 240 flywheel, but it is too large to fit in the bell. I'm not sure you will be able to use the ranger flywheel due to the small diameter because the starter has to fit close to the block and if memeroy serves me correct there is not enough room. So the other option is a trans from the F150 and 300 6cly flywheel or 240 flywheel.
02-27-2012, 09:56 AM
#24
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02-27-2012, 09:56 AM #24Yeah I'm going to "have fun" adapting the flywheel. I think I will be making a frankenflywheel, the Ranger flywheel is definitely too small to just drill new holes.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-11-2012, 11:38 PM
#25
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03-11-2012, 11:38 PM #25
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-12-2012, 12:28 AM
#26
Lol!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
03-12-2012, 12:28 AM #26HOLY SHIT!
Lol!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
03-12-2012, 08:21 AM
#27
This post was last modified: 03-12-2012, 08:31 AM by Simpler=Better.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-12-2012, 08:21 AM #27Yeah my buddy had never been around a diesel with no pipes, much less a 617. Before we started the engine I warned him about the potential for a runaway diesel (since I had played with the pump while it was out). When it flared to life at "half throttle" he ran out thinking it was gonna blow
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-14-2012, 09:38 AM
#28
The HE351V will give me 25psi no problem, but I doubt I can dump enough methanol to burn the extra 10psi of air.
Thoughts?
**EDIT**
I'm going to run the 2056V and stock manifold for a while. Once I figure out my fueling situation I'll worry about more air.
This post was last modified: 03-14-2012, 11:29 AM by Simpler=Better.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-14-2012, 09:38 AM #28I can't decide on what I want to do for my turbo. I have the 2056V setup and ready to go, but that would limit me to ~18psi (which I'm confident I can supplement with methanol).
The HE351V will give me 25psi no problem, but I doubt I can dump enough methanol to burn the extra 10psi of air.
Thoughts?
**EDIT**
I'm going to run the 2056V and stock manifold for a while. Once I figure out my fueling situation I'll worry about more air.
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-15-2012, 03:04 AM
#29
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
03-15-2012, 03:04 AM #29Good idea. Check out how it runs with 18 psi first
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
03-19-2012, 01:20 PM
#31
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-19-2012, 01:20 PM #31I got my head out of the clouds, I'll get it running, in the truck, and THEN worry about more air.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-22-2012, 08:38 PM
#32
This post was last modified: 03-23-2012, 11:25 AM by Simpler=Better.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-22-2012, 08:38 PM #32
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-22-2012, 10:33 PM
#33
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
03-22-2012, 10:33 PM #33Is that a Toyo Kogyo 5-speed? Might know a customer...
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W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
03-23-2012, 07:40 AM
#34
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-23-2012, 07:40 AM #34Where are you seeing a transmission? The trans I'm hoping to use in my conversion is a FM146 from an '89 Ranger
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-23-2012, 12:33 PM
#35
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
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03-23-2012, 12:33 PM #35Ah. My bad.
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W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
03-27-2012, 12:46 PM
#38
![[Image: 2056v3.jpg]](http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6576/2056v3.jpg)
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This post was last modified: 03-27-2012, 10:37 PM by Simpler=Better.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
03-27-2012, 12:46 PM #38I decided to go back to the 2056V. I'm looking to push "14psi" of fuel with the stock pump and then add enough methanol to burn up an additional 4-5 psi of boost. If I get my hands on a super pump one day I'll upgrade to the Holset 351V. I'm hoping to finish porting the manifolds and rigging up the turbo lines by this weekend. The stock log exhaust manifold had some major imperfections-port #1 had a grape-sized obstruction.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-27-2012, 10:41 PM
#39
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
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03-27-2012, 10:41 PM #39Playing with the GT2056V:
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-28-2012, 02:04 AM
#40
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
03-28-2012, 02:04 AM #40Sounding good!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
03-28-2012, 08:03 AM
#41
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
03-28-2012, 08:03 AM #41I like the white. Nice contrast to diry old and rusty.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
03-28-2012, 10:46 AM
#42
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
03-28-2012, 10:46 AM #42Pardon my ignorance, but, what's the purpose of all that tubing on the intake manifold?
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W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
03-28-2012, 11:16 AM
#43
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03-28-2012, 11:16 AM #43It's a port-injection methanol setup. Each runner has a bung welded on and a 1GPH sprayer nozzle attached internally.
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03-28-2012, 11:17 AM
#44
This post was last modified: 03-28-2012, 11:19 AM by JustPassinThru.
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W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
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03-28-2012, 11:17 AM #44Ah, of course. Thanks! Hadn't had my morning coffee yet. How is the flow rate control accomplished, if I may be so bold?
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03-28-2012, 11:24 AM
#45
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03-28-2012, 11:24 AM #45The nozzles are rated at 1GPH @ 100psi (I got them from McMaster-Carr for ~$7 each). My pump supposedly runs at a "constant" 120psi, so I'm leaving it to fluid mechanics to properly regulate.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
03-28-2012, 12:09 PM
#46
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W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
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03-28-2012, 12:09 PM #46As I have no w/m injection experience at all, but do have a CoolingMist Cool250, bought from Craigslist, adjustable from 100 to 250 PSI depending on nozzle size, but set at 200 PSI from the factory...I am naturally hoping to learn from your experience!
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
03-29-2012, 06:52 AM
#47
Nice project. Did the methanol/water injection work fine? did you feel any increase in power with it? Mow much water vs methanol?
Are there anyone that runs a 617 with a HE351V? According to Forcedinduction it will be way to big and end up on the wrong side of the surge line? The 617 isn't exactly what you would call a race engine
The VE is probably in the seventies?
This post was last modified: 03-29-2012, 07:02 AM by erling66.
Hi
Nice project. Did the methanol/water injection work fine? did you feel any increase in power with it? Mow much water vs methanol?
Are there anyone that runs a 617 with a HE351V? According to Forcedinduction it will be way to big and end up on the wrong side of the surge line? The 617 isn't exactly what you would call a race engine The VE is probably in the seventies?
03-29-2012, 08:52 AM
#48
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03-29-2012, 08:52 AM #48The HE351V has been run on Ford 2.3L motors (redline around 5,500) so I would assume that you could run it on a 617, you would just want to monitor your EMP and turbo RPM.
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03-29-2012, 06:13 PM
#49
Ed
yankneck696
03-29-2012, 06:13 PM #49I would be willing to bet that with the proper fueling & setup, the HE351v would do just fine. FI was using a "FI tweaked" pump that may not have been optimal. With what we know now about pumps, I bet OM616 could make it work....
Ed
04-02-2012, 09:38 AM
#50
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04-02-2012, 09:38 AM #50I'm sreiously considering putting this into a Wrangler instead, IF I can find a cheap Wrangler. There's a CJ5 up here for $1k, no top.
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