7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine
7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine
02-27-2012, 02:43 PM
#1
Previously I have done pumps with the "old" 7 mm Ford Transit element, Also with the 6 mm original OM606 element. My opinion was that the 7 mm didnt work out well at all, High knock at low idle, high fuelconsumption max 120cc was some of the disadvantages with those.
6 mm was running perfect, good balance nice idle and so on.
After those pumps my customers wanted moore fuel, Myna was running 170cc with there own 7 mm element, However I could not buy those, Myna dont sell element only, they just put them in there own pumps. The explanation I got was that
-It is some difference in quality.
At this moment I have around 10-15 pumps waiting for nice, big element whit a lot of fuel.
Something had to bee done
I started do design the first serie of 7,5 mm element, It took around 3 months for the factory to make them for me.
At this moment I have payed around 8000 euro.
After 4 months the goods arriwed, I was glad for about 4,5 minute, then everything went to ****.
Barrel was too big, didnt even fit in the pumphousing, plunger was 0,15mm to long, The plunger could not go to top in the pump, it was stuck.
This however I could fix, my friend, who has a mechanical workshop helped me.
Barrels was grinded down to right dimensions so that they fitted in the housing, plunger was modified so that I could mount them in the pump.
First pump was 2,5 degrees wrong in phasing, That was no big deal, but it gave me a lot of extra work, changing rollers in the tappet lifter so the balance was OK.
Next thing was fuelquantity, I was expecting a bit over 170cc but no.
140-150 cc was max at 21mm of rack BUT, It had capacity for OVER 200cc
The "only" thing was that the helixangel on the element was to flat, I would need around 25-26 mm of rack to get 100% out of the element.
80 elements where adjusted, 10pc of 140cc pumps was built with good result. I bougt a 250TD with OM605 just for testing the pumpelements properly.
Rest of the elements where shipped back to the factory for modification.
Serie 2 was up on drawingtable, wise from the first serie I know now how it should bee designed, Serie 2 has som benefits that serie 1 dont have.
Here is a small teaser
50 days from today and serie 2 will arriwe for testing. After that gentlemen, I think that I can offer you some nice pumps.
140cc & a bit moore.
dieselmeken
02-27-2012, 02:43 PM #1As some of you here on the STD forum knows, I have been struggling with making my own pumpelement for the M-seriepump. I want to reveal some facts what I have done the last year.
Previously I have done pumps with the "old" 7 mm Ford Transit element, Also with the 6 mm original OM606 element. My opinion was that the 7 mm didnt work out well at all, High knock at low idle, high fuelconsumption max 120cc was some of the disadvantages with those.
6 mm was running perfect, good balance nice idle and so on.
After those pumps my customers wanted moore fuel, Myna was running 170cc with there own 7 mm element, However I could not buy those, Myna dont sell element only, they just put them in there own pumps. The explanation I got was that
-It is some difference in quality.
At this moment I have around 10-15 pumps waiting for nice, big element whit a lot of fuel.
Something had to bee done
I started do design the first serie of 7,5 mm element, It took around 3 months for the factory to make them for me.
At this moment I have payed around 8000 euro.
After 4 months the goods arriwed, I was glad for about 4,5 minute, then everything went to ****.
Barrel was too big, didnt even fit in the pumphousing, plunger was 0,15mm to long, The plunger could not go to top in the pump, it was stuck.
This however I could fix, my friend, who has a mechanical workshop helped me.
Barrels was grinded down to right dimensions so that they fitted in the housing, plunger was modified so that I could mount them in the pump.
First pump was 2,5 degrees wrong in phasing, That was no big deal, but it gave me a lot of extra work, changing rollers in the tappet lifter so the balance was OK.
Next thing was fuelquantity, I was expecting a bit over 170cc but no.
140-150 cc was max at 21mm of rack BUT, It had capacity for OVER 200cc
The "only" thing was that the helixangel on the element was to flat, I would need around 25-26 mm of rack to get 100% out of the element.
80 elements where adjusted, 10pc of 140cc pumps was built with good result. I bougt a 250TD with OM605 just for testing the pumpelements properly.
Rest of the elements where shipped back to the factory for modification.
Serie 2 was up on drawingtable, wise from the first serie I know now how it should bee designed, Serie 2 has som benefits that serie 1 dont have.
Here is a small teaser
50 days from today and serie 2 will arriwe for testing. After that gentlemen, I think that I can offer you some nice pumps.
140cc & a bit moore.
02-27-2012, 03:45 PM
#2
(02-27-2012, 02:43 PM)dieselmeken As some of you here on the STD forum knows, I have been struggling with making my own pumpelement for the M-seriepump. I want to reveal some facts what I have done the last year.
Previously I have done pumps with the "old" 7 mm Ford Transit element, Also with the 6 mm original OM606 element. My opinion was that the 7 mm didnt work out well at all, High knock at low idle, high fuelconsumption max 120cc was some of the disadvantages with those.
6 mm was running perfect, good balance nice idle and so on.
After those pumps my customers wanted moore fuel, Myna was running 170cc with there own 7 mm element, However I could not buy those, Myna dont sell element only, they just put them in there own pumps. The explanation I got was that
-It is some difference in quality.
At this moment I have around 10-15 pumps waiting for nice, big element whit a lot of fuel.
Something had to bee done
I started do design the first serie of 7,5 mm element, It took around 3 months for the factory to make them for me.
At this moment I have payed around 8000 euro.
After 4 months the goods arriwed, I was glad for about 4,5 minute, then everything went to ****.
Barrel was too big, didnt even fit in the pumphousing, plunger was 0,15mm to long, The plunger could not go to top in the pump, it was stuck.
This however I could fix, my friend, who has a mechanical workshop helped me.
Barrels was grinded down to right dimensions so that they fitted in the housing, plunger was modified so that I could mount them in the pump.
First pump was 2,5 degrees wrong in phasing, That was no big deal, but it gave me a lot of extra work, changing rollers in the tappet lifter so the balance was OK.
Next thing was fuelquantity, I was expecting a bit over 170cc but no.
140-150 cc was max at 21mm of rack BUT, It had capacity for OVER 200cc
The "only" thing was that the helixangel on the element was to flat, I would need around 25-26 mm of rack to get 100% out of the element.
80 elements where adjusted, 10pc of 140cc pumps was built with good result. I bougt a 250TD with OM605 just for testing the pumpelements properly.
Rest of the elements where shipped back to the factory for modification.
Serie 2 was up on drawingtable, wise from the first serie I know now how it should bee designed, Serie 2 has som benefits that serie 1 dont have.
Here is a small teaser
50 days from today and serie 2 will arriwe for testing. After that gentlemen, I think that I can offer you some nice pumps.
140cc & a bit moore.
Nice one mate.
Ill be looking for a power pump soon for my C250 OM605
(02-27-2012, 02:43 PM)dieselmeken As some of you here on the STD forum knows, I have been struggling with making my own pumpelement for the M-seriepump. I want to reveal some facts what I have done the last year.
Previously I have done pumps with the "old" 7 mm Ford Transit element, Also with the 6 mm original OM606 element. My opinion was that the 7 mm didnt work out well at all, High knock at low idle, high fuelconsumption max 120cc was some of the disadvantages with those.
6 mm was running perfect, good balance nice idle and so on.
After those pumps my customers wanted moore fuel, Myna was running 170cc with there own 7 mm element, However I could not buy those, Myna dont sell element only, they just put them in there own pumps. The explanation I got was that
-It is some difference in quality.
At this moment I have around 10-15 pumps waiting for nice, big element whit a lot of fuel.
Something had to bee done
I started do design the first serie of 7,5 mm element, It took around 3 months for the factory to make them for me.
At this moment I have payed around 8000 euro.
After 4 months the goods arriwed, I was glad for about 4,5 minute, then everything went to ****.
Barrel was too big, didnt even fit in the pumphousing, plunger was 0,15mm to long, The plunger could not go to top in the pump, it was stuck.
This however I could fix, my friend, who has a mechanical workshop helped me.
Barrels was grinded down to right dimensions so that they fitted in the housing, plunger was modified so that I could mount them in the pump.
First pump was 2,5 degrees wrong in phasing, That was no big deal, but it gave me a lot of extra work, changing rollers in the tappet lifter so the balance was OK.
Next thing was fuelquantity, I was expecting a bit over 170cc but no.
140-150 cc was max at 21mm of rack BUT, It had capacity for OVER 200cc
The "only" thing was that the helixangel on the element was to flat, I would need around 25-26 mm of rack to get 100% out of the element.
80 elements where adjusted, 10pc of 140cc pumps was built with good result. I bougt a 250TD with OM605 just for testing the pumpelements properly.
Rest of the elements where shipped back to the factory for modification.
Serie 2 was up on drawingtable, wise from the first serie I know now how it should bee designed, Serie 2 has som benefits that serie 1 dont have.
Here is a small teaser
50 days from today and serie 2 will arriwe for testing. After that gentlemen, I think that I can offer you some nice pumps.
140cc & a bit moore.
Nice one mate.
Ill be looking for a power pump soon for my C250 OM605
02-27-2012, 04:37 PM
#3
This post was last modified: 02-27-2012, 04:37 PM by willbhere4u.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
02-27-2012, 04:37 PM #3Thanks for all of your hard work! And for posting on this forum. I'm excited to see how this works out I'll have to start saving up for a custom pump!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
02-27-2012, 08:28 PM
#5
if it don’t blow black...take it back.
1982 300TDT 4 Speed 196K Standard Beige “VEGEWGN”. 300GD FW. Walbro FRC-8 Fuel Pump. ZadaTech LCD Boost, EGT, & Fuel Pressure gauge. Non-EGR Exhaust and Intake Manifold. 3/2 Valves gone. Soon to have Elsbett WVO conversion
1981 300D 314K Midnight Blue “The Blue Car”, Lovecrap system, owned 25 years+
1985 300TD White 198K “Betty White” Pure beauty
The VEGEWGN
Schttttoked!
if it don’t blow black...take it back.
1982 300TDT 4 Speed 196K Standard Beige “VEGEWGN”. 300GD FW. Walbro FRC-8 Fuel Pump. ZadaTech LCD Boost, EGT, & Fuel Pressure gauge. Non-EGR Exhaust and Intake Manifold. 3/2 Valves gone. Soon to have Elsbett WVO conversion
1981 300D 314K Midnight Blue “The Blue Car”, Lovecrap system, owned 25 years+
1985 300TD White 198K “Betty White” Pure beauty
The VEGEWGN
02-28-2012, 02:13 AM
#8
(02-28-2012, 01:39 AM)pp d Well... I made a pump with 150 cc delivery for Tom, sent it about a week ago.
No need such thing as 20-21 mm track travel
Ofcourse you did. You get a element that works in the first place, You can buy element from Tom, How hard can it bee then? You dont design, you just build the pump.
Toms element is nice if you dont need moore fuel that 140-.150cc, My customers building high performance engine, just as the topic says, and then Toms element is not enough
Im trying to explain how difficult this is, I dont need any devaluation.
I think this is going to workout perfect, just you wait and see.
Some people has not been so helpful to me, that is one of the reasons I had to do something.
dieselmeken
02-28-2012, 02:13 AM #8(02-28-2012, 01:39 AM)pp d Well... I made a pump with 150 cc delivery for Tom, sent it about a week ago.
No need such thing as 20-21 mm track travel
Ofcourse you did. You get a element that works in the first place, You can buy element from Tom, How hard can it bee then? You dont design, you just build the pump.
Toms element is nice if you dont need moore fuel that 140-.150cc, My customers building high performance engine, just as the topic says, and then Toms element is not enough
Im trying to explain how difficult this is, I dont need any devaluation.
I think this is going to workout perfect, just you wait and see.
Some people has not been so helpful to me, that is one of the reasons I had to do something.
02-28-2012, 05:38 AM
#9
(02-28-2012, 02:13 AM)dieselmeken(02-28-2012, 01:39 AM)pp d Well... I made a pump with 150 cc delivery for Tom, sent it about a week ago.
No need such thing as 20-21 mm track travel
Ofcourse you did. You get a element that works in the first place, You can buy element from Tom, How hard can it bee then? You dont design, you just build the pump.
Toms element is nice if you dont need moore fuel that 140-.150cc, My customers building high performance engine, just as the topic says, and then Toms element is not enough
Im trying to explain how difficult this is, I dont need any devaluation.
I think this is going to workout perfect, just you wait and see.
Some people has not been so helpful to me, that is one of the reasons I had to do something.
hope u succeed, from the deepest hope it work out,
do u have any idea what are u going to do after , will u rebuild the pumps or just available the elements?
go on that the right way to fight.
FD,
Powered by tractor fuel
(02-28-2012, 02:13 AM)dieselmeken(02-28-2012, 01:39 AM)pp d Well... I made a pump with 150 cc delivery for Tom, sent it about a week ago.
No need such thing as 20-21 mm track travel
Ofcourse you did. You get a element that works in the first place, You can buy element from Tom, How hard can it bee then? You dont design, you just build the pump.
Toms element is nice if you dont need moore fuel that 140-.150cc, My customers building high performance engine, just as the topic says, and then Toms element is not enough
Im trying to explain how difficult this is, I dont need any devaluation.
I think this is going to workout perfect, just you wait and see.
Some people has not been so helpful to me, that is one of the reasons I had to do something.
hope u succeed, from the deepest hope it work out,
do u have any idea what are u going to do after , will u rebuild the pumps or just available the elements?
go on that the right way to fight.
FD,
Powered by tractor fuel
02-28-2012, 10:31 AM
#10
This post was last modified: 02-28-2012, 10:31 AM by Simpler=Better.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
02-28-2012, 10:31 AM #10I like the sounds of 200cc
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
02-28-2012, 01:21 PM
#12
I hope all the success in this one and perhaps maybe later, you can design and manufacture an affordable higher output MW element.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
02-28-2012, 01:21 PM #12Göran, Thanks many times over for posting your thoughts, expertise and videos on injection pump building. Folks like myself love to see these journeys in type of build in action and explained.
I hope all the success in this one and perhaps maybe later, you can design and manufacture an affordable higher output MW element.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
02-28-2012, 01:22 PM
#13
Thanks for posting this, and keep up with the great, and sometimes discouraging work!
Interesting and very effective looking helix design. I am glad someone is making an element that gives more fuel than ~150ccm, as why go through all the trouble and expense with changing the elements only to find you need more fuel. <150ccm elements have there place as well.
Thanks for posting this, and keep up with the great, and sometimes discouraging work!
02-28-2012, 01:58 PM
#14
keep us posted goran......
rgds hus
huseyin55amg
02-28-2012, 01:58 PM #14great news goran ! do you keep the standard turbo ? is it able to cope with the extra fuel delivery..?
keep us posted goran......
rgds hus
02-28-2012, 05:26 PM
#15
(02-28-2012, 02:13 AM)dieselmeken Toms element is nice if you dont need moore fuel that 140-.150cc, My customers building high performance engine, just as the topic says, and then Toms element is not enough
Hi,
not correct in the case of my SuperFloyd pump.
As I always pray the thing is not to move end of delivery too late.
I am retarding down BOD to about 18deg for smooth engine run and low emission and still end delivery within the Bosch recommendation therefore the limit of quantity.
Now my new prototype delivers 150 ccm but still respecting the safe range of the Bosch book and standard rack travel and standard governor operation.
My new elements could easily exceed 200 ccm but I don't care as only very few people can burn this amount of fuel without black clouds of smoke.
Anyway good job, I know very well what it takes to calculate, design and manufacture elements in excellent quality
Tom
(02-28-2012, 02:13 AM)dieselmeken Toms element is nice if you dont need moore fuel that 140-.150cc, My customers building high performance engine, just as the topic says, and then Toms element is not enough
Hi,
not correct in the case of my SuperFloyd pump.
As I always pray the thing is not to move end of delivery too late.
I am retarding down BOD to about 18deg for smooth engine run and low emission and still end delivery within the Bosch recommendation therefore the limit of quantity.
Now my new prototype delivers 150 ccm but still respecting the safe range of the Bosch book and standard rack travel and standard governor operation.
My new elements could easily exceed 200 ccm but I don't care as only very few people can burn this amount of fuel without black clouds of smoke.
Anyway good job, I know very well what it takes to calculate, design and manufacture elements in excellent quality
Tom
02-28-2012, 11:22 PM
#16
(02-28-2012, 02:13 AM)dieselmeken Im trying to explain how difficult this is, I dont need any devaluation.
I support this statement.
It's great that ppd came up with a pump using Tom's elements. I look forward to what dm offers as well. Tom went through several iterations as well IIRC.
More to the point, you guys are offering competition to Myna. I think everyone here appreciates all the hard work everyone has put in.
-Rolf
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(02-28-2012, 02:13 AM)dieselmeken Im trying to explain how difficult this is, I dont need any devaluation.
I support this statement.
It's great that ppd came up with a pump using Tom's elements. I look forward to what dm offers as well. Tom went through several iterations as well IIRC.
More to the point, you guys are offering competition to Myna. I think everyone here appreciates all the hard work everyone has put in.
-Rolf
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
02-29-2012, 01:25 AM
#17
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
02-29-2012, 01:25 AM #17You are Awesome Gøran!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
02-29-2012, 12:13 PM
#18
(02-28-2012, 05:26 PM)tomnik ...
Now my new prototype delivers 150 ccm but still respecting the safe range of the Bosch book and standard rack travel and standard governor operation....
Tom
If I was in the market for M-pump elements, this would be what would want regarding the setup because of the lack of experience in IP building up here in the States. Make it easier for the tech.
BTW -Not to highjack your thread Göran, But Tom, how much are your elements? And are you going to do another run of the MW?
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
02-29-2012, 12:13 PM #18(02-28-2012, 05:26 PM)tomnik ...
Now my new prototype delivers 150 ccm but still respecting the safe range of the Bosch book and standard rack travel and standard governor operation....
Tom
If I was in the market for M-pump elements, this would be what would want regarding the setup because of the lack of experience in IP building up here in the States. Make it easier for the tech.
BTW -Not to highjack your thread Göran, But Tom, how much are your elements? And are you going to do another run of the MW?
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
02-29-2012, 12:31 PM
#19
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
02-29-2012, 12:31 PM #19If I had an M-pump I would buy these elements in a second!!
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
02-29-2012, 09:42 PM
#21
if it don’t blow black...take it back.
1982 300TDT 4 Speed 196K Standard Beige “VEGEWGN”. 300GD FW. Walbro FRC-8 Fuel Pump. ZadaTech LCD Boost, EGT, & Fuel Pressure gauge. Non-EGR Exhaust and Intake Manifold. 3/2 Valves gone. Soon to have Elsbett WVO conversion
1981 300D 314K Midnight Blue “The Blue Car”, Lovecrap system, owned 25 years+
1985 300TD White 198K “Betty White” Pure beauty
The VEGEWGN
I have a M-pump that needs to be modified. Who do I need to talk to?
if it don’t blow black...take it back.
1982 300TDT 4 Speed 196K Standard Beige “VEGEWGN”. 300GD FW. Walbro FRC-8 Fuel Pump. ZadaTech LCD Boost, EGT, & Fuel Pressure gauge. Non-EGR Exhaust and Intake Manifold. 3/2 Valves gone. Soon to have Elsbett WVO conversion
1981 300D 314K Midnight Blue “The Blue Car”, Lovecrap system, owned 25 years+
1985 300TD White 198K “Betty White” Pure beauty
The VEGEWGN
03-01-2012, 01:41 AM
#23
(03-01-2012, 12:58 AM)tomnik(02-29-2012, 09:42 PM)w123love I have a M-pump that needs to be modified. Who do I need to talk to?
...to DeliveryValve ...
Tom
Or you can talk to me if you wish.
dieselmeken
03-01-2012, 01:41 AM #23
(03-01-2012, 12:58 AM)tomnik(02-29-2012, 09:42 PM)w123love I have a M-pump that needs to be modified. Who do I need to talk to?
...to DeliveryValve ...
Tom
Or you can talk to me if you wish.
03-01-2012, 07:43 PM
#25
(03-01-2012, 07:29 PM)tomnik(03-01-2012, 01:41 AM)dieselmeken Or you can talk to me if you wish.
Hi Göran,
the interest was in having a US guy do the pump...
Tom
That wasn't mentioned here. Although it would indeed be preferable. I wonder about the timeliness though, of both alternatives.
03-01-2012, 09:33 PM
#26
if it don’t blow black...take it back.
1982 300TDT 4 Speed 196K Standard Beige “VEGEWGN”. 300GD FW. Walbro FRC-8 Fuel Pump. ZadaTech LCD Boost, EGT, & Fuel Pressure gauge. Non-EGR Exhaust and Intake Manifold. 3/2 Valves gone. Soon to have Elsbett WVO conversion
1981 300D 314K Midnight Blue “The Blue Car”, Lovecrap system, owned 25 years+
1985 300TD White 198K “Betty White” Pure beauty
The VEGEWGN
I don’t want a US guy touching my pump. I don’t want to be a lab rat. I want a pro. So offshore it will go.
if it don’t blow black...take it back.
1982 300TDT 4 Speed 196K Standard Beige “VEGEWGN”. 300GD FW. Walbro FRC-8 Fuel Pump. ZadaTech LCD Boost, EGT, & Fuel Pressure gauge. Non-EGR Exhaust and Intake Manifold. 3/2 Valves gone. Soon to have Elsbett WVO conversion
1981 300D 314K Midnight Blue “The Blue Car”, Lovecrap system, owned 25 years+
1985 300TD White 198K “Betty White” Pure beauty
The VEGEWGN
03-02-2012, 10:18 AM
#27
(03-01-2012, 09:33 PM)w123love I don’t want a US guy touching my pump. I don’t want to be a lab rat. I want a pro. So offshore it will go.
The guy that did my pump in Fresno is a self proclaimed "Mercedes Geek" and works at an IP shop with likely the same/equivalent test gear to do the actual tuning...not sure how much more "pro" you need...mine has Tom's elements BTW... hope to install it soon.
I also have an M-pump lying around that I may mess with at a later date, but I'm sure it'll go to the same guy for tuning.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
03-02-2012, 10:18 AM #27(03-01-2012, 09:33 PM)w123love I don’t want a US guy touching my pump. I don’t want to be a lab rat. I want a pro. So offshore it will go.
The guy that did my pump in Fresno is a self proclaimed "Mercedes Geek" and works at an IP shop with likely the same/equivalent test gear to do the actual tuning...not sure how much more "pro" you need...mine has Tom's elements BTW... hope to install it soon.
I also have an M-pump lying around that I may mess with at a later date, but I'm sure it'll go to the same guy for tuning.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
03-04-2012, 08:34 AM
#28
So I am very pleased with the pump and the job Gøran did! Gøran is the man
This post was last modified: 03-04-2012, 08:41 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
03-04-2012, 08:34 AM #28Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4th So I am very pleased with the pump and the job Gøran did! Gøran is the man
03-04-2012, 01:59 PM
#29
Nothing for do it yorself.
Serie 1 will never bee sold as part only, I only put them in by myself.
Serie 2 however will be on the market, But only after testing them out.
I am glad that EDH_performance i happy with his dm superpump.
This post was last modified: 03-04-2012, 02:00 PM by dieselmeken.
dieselmeken
03-04-2012, 01:59 PM #29Yes, I know that my serie 1 element works out well, it just needs some more love and care when putting them into the pump.
Nothing for do it yorself.
Serie 1 will never bee sold as part only, I only put them in by myself.
Serie 2 however will be on the market, But only after testing them out.
I am glad that EDH_performance i happy with his dm superpump.
03-04-2012, 04:47 PM
#30
(03-04-2012, 01:59 PM)dieselmeken Yes, I know that my serie 1 element works out well, it just needs some more love and care when putting them into the pump.
Nothing for do it yorself.
Serie 1 will never bee sold as part only, I only put them in by myself.
Serie 2 however will be on the market, But only after testing them out.
I am glad that EDH_performance i happy with his dm superpump.
price per series 2 element ? and any idea of when these may be ready
squirrelmaster
03-04-2012, 04:47 PM #30(03-04-2012, 01:59 PM)dieselmeken Yes, I know that my serie 1 element works out well, it just needs some more love and care when putting them into the pump.
Nothing for do it yorself.
Serie 1 will never bee sold as part only, I only put them in by myself.
Serie 2 however will be on the market, But only after testing them out.
I am glad that EDH_performance i happy with his dm superpump.
price per series 2 element ? and any idea of when these may be ready
03-05-2012, 06:00 AM
#31
(03-04-2012, 04:47 PM)squirrelmaster(03-04-2012, 01:59 PM)dieselmeken Yes, I know that my serie 1 element works out well, it just needs some more love and care when putting them into the pump.
Nothing for do it yorself.
Serie 1 will never bee sold as part only, I only put them in by myself.
Serie 2 however will be on the market, But only after testing them out.
I am glad that EDH_performance i happy with his dm superpump.
price per series 2 element ? and any idea of when these may be ready
As I wrote at first, 50 days approx. Price is not set yet. I must test them out first.
dieselmeken
03-05-2012, 06:00 AM #31(03-04-2012, 04:47 PM)squirrelmaster(03-04-2012, 01:59 PM)dieselmeken Yes, I know that my serie 1 element works out well, it just needs some more love and care when putting them into the pump.
Nothing for do it yorself.
Serie 1 will never bee sold as part only, I only put them in by myself.
Serie 2 however will be on the market, But only after testing them out.
I am glad that EDH_performance i happy with his dm superpump.
price per series 2 element ? and any idea of when these may be ready
As I wrote at first, 50 days approx. Price is not set yet. I must test them out first.
03-05-2012, 04:15 PM
#32
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
Can you tell how much is true injection amount on 7,5mm. Not mean what you can get on testbench?
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
03-05-2012, 05:20 PM
#33
(03-04-2012, 08:34 AM)EDH_Performance Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4thhi,
nice one, Goran has done it again
what sort of EGTS are you getting
how many cc of fuel
(03-04-2012, 08:34 AM)EDH_Performance Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4thhi,
nice one, Goran has done it again
what sort of EGTS are you getting
how many cc of fuel
03-05-2012, 07:51 PM
#34
(03-05-2012, 05:20 PM)mantahead(03-04-2012, 08:34 AM)EDH_Performance Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4thhi,
nice one, Goran has done it again
what sort of EGTS are you getting
how many cc of fuel
I dont know what cc my pumpe gives! Tell us Gøran
I haven`t maxed it out yet, still on 1.7 bar i boost
I see around 500celcius at WOT...
EDH_Performance
03-05-2012, 07:51 PM #34(03-05-2012, 05:20 PM)mantahead(03-04-2012, 08:34 AM)EDH_Performance Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4thhi,
nice one, Goran has done it again
what sort of EGTS are you getting
how many cc of fuel
I dont know what cc my pumpe gives! Tell us Gøran
I haven`t maxed it out yet, still on 1.7 bar i boost
I see around 500celcius at WOT...
03-06-2012, 01:29 AM
#35
(03-05-2012, 04:15 PM)jeemu Can you tell how much is true injection amount on 7,5mm. Not mean what you can get on testbench?
Im not sure I am with you there, You must explain what you mean Jeemu.
The only amount I have is the answer from the bench. That is with 6x2x600 pipes & 111 testinjectors just as the Bosch testsheet says for that pump.
EDH_performance is 140cc @ 1500 rpm.
dieselmeken
03-06-2012, 01:29 AM #35(03-05-2012, 04:15 PM)jeemu Can you tell how much is true injection amount on 7,5mm. Not mean what you can get on testbench?
Im not sure I am with you there, You must explain what you mean Jeemu.
The only amount I have is the answer from the bench. That is with 6x2x600 pipes & 111 testinjectors just as the Bosch testsheet says for that pump.
EDH_performance is 140cc @ 1500 rpm.
03-06-2012, 04:14 PM
#37
(03-06-2012, 02:40 PM)tomnikaround 18 mm, why do you wonder?(03-06-2012, 01:29 AM)dieselmeken EDH_performance is 140cc @ 1500 rpm.
... @ which rack position?
Tom
dieselmeken
03-06-2012, 04:14 PM #37(03-06-2012, 02:40 PM)tomnikaround 18 mm, why do you wonder?(03-06-2012, 01:29 AM)dieselmeken EDH_performance is 140cc @ 1500 rpm.
... @ which rack position?
Tom
03-06-2012, 09:43 PM
#38
(03-04-2012, 08:34 AM)EDH_Performance Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4th
This post is worthless without videos.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(03-04-2012, 08:34 AM)EDH_Performance Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4th
This post is worthless without videos.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
03-07-2012, 02:22 AM
#39
(03-06-2012, 09:43 PM)winmutt(03-04-2012, 08:34 AM)EDH_Performance Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4th
This post is worthless without videos.
Daniel, do you have a small clip just for showing, maybee I can get a five star rating on my topic then
dieselmeken
03-07-2012, 02:22 AM #39(03-06-2012, 09:43 PM)winmutt(03-04-2012, 08:34 AM)EDH_Performance Gøran`s 7.5mm elements killed my 2nd and 3rd gear! But there is still brutal acceleration in 4th
This post is worthless without videos.
Daniel, do you have a small clip just for showing, maybee I can get a five star rating on my topic then
03-07-2012, 09:37 AM
#40
This post was last modified: 03-07-2012, 09:40 AM by iheartboost.
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
iheartboost
03-07-2012, 09:37 AM #40So excited!!
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
03-07-2012, 10:44 PM
#41
By the way, where are the dieselmeken stickers?!
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
03-07-2012, 10:44 PM #41Glad I didn't send my pump out yet...
By the way, where are the dieselmeken stickers?!
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
03-08-2012, 02:44 AM
#43
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
03-08-2012, 02:44 AM #43I need to find another job pronto so I can afford this lol
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
03-08-2012, 05:05 AM
#44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_aPaNex...r_embedded#!
The other car is an BMW 325ix with 170 hp.
I have no 3rd and so I have alot of lag I 4th because of that
Feeding pressure to the pump is 3bar.
The turbo is putting out 1.7bar, around 450-500c in EGT, and it is still smoking, so i need to turn the stoparm down a bit more
This post was last modified: 03-08-2012, 08:30 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
03-08-2012, 05:05 AM #44Here is one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_aPaNex...r_embedded#!
The other car is an BMW 325ix with 170 hp.
I have no 3rd and so I have alot of lag I 4th because of that
Feeding pressure to the pump is 3bar.
The turbo is putting out 1.7bar, around 450-500c in EGT, and it is still smoking, so i need to turn the stoparm down a bit more
03-08-2012, 07:40 AM
#45
(03-08-2012, 05:05 AM)EDH_Performance Here is one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_aPaNex...r_embedded#!
The other car is an BMW 325ix with 170 hp.
I have no 3rd and so I have alot of lag I 4th because of that
Feeding preassure to the pump is 3bar.
The turbo is putting out 1.7bar, around 450-500c in EGT, and it is still smoking, so i need to turn the stoparm down a bit more
Or you can adjust the pressure to go higher, and crash the other gears too
dieselmeken
03-08-2012, 07:40 AM #45(03-08-2012, 05:05 AM)EDH_Performance Here is one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_aPaNex...r_embedded#!
The other car is an BMW 325ix with 170 hp.
I have no 3rd and so I have alot of lag I 4th because of that
Feeding preassure to the pump is 3bar.
The turbo is putting out 1.7bar, around 450-500c in EGT, and it is still smoking, so i need to turn the stoparm down a bit more
Or you can adjust the pressure to go higher, and crash the other gears too
03-08-2012, 08:19 AM
#46
(03-08-2012, 07:40 AM)dieselmekenHaha, i just ordered a BMW e39 530d gearbox and clutch from a wreckyard in sweden, This will hold the power(03-08-2012, 05:05 AM)EDH_Performance Here is one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_aPaNex...r_embedded#!
The other car is an BMW 325ix with 170 hp.
I have no 3rd and so I have alot of lag I 4th because of that
Feeding preassure to the pump is 3bar.
The turbo is putting out 1.7bar, around 450-500c in EGT, and it is still smoking, so i need to turn the stoparm down a bit more
Or you can adjust the pressure to go higher, and crash the other gears too
EDH_Performance
03-08-2012, 08:19 AM #46(03-08-2012, 07:40 AM)dieselmekenHaha, i just ordered a BMW e39 530d gearbox and clutch from a wreckyard in sweden, This will hold the power(03-08-2012, 05:05 AM)EDH_Performance Here is one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_aPaNex...r_embedded#!
The other car is an BMW 325ix with 170 hp.
I have no 3rd and so I have alot of lag I 4th because of that
Feeding preassure to the pump is 3bar.
The turbo is putting out 1.7bar, around 450-500c in EGT, and it is still smoking, so i need to turn the stoparm down a bit more
Or you can adjust the pressure to go higher, and crash the other gears too
03-08-2012, 08:02 PM
#47
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
iheartboost
03-08-2012, 08:02 PM #47i want to blow black smoke
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
03-09-2012, 02:16 AM
#48
(03-08-2012, 08:02 PM)iheartboost i want to blow black smoke
buy a truck
Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
03-09-2012, 02:16 AM #48(03-08-2012, 08:02 PM)iheartboost i want to blow black smoke
buy a truck
Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
03-09-2012, 04:01 AM
#49
(03-08-2012, 08:19 AM)EDH_Performance Haha, i just ordered a BMW e39 530d gearbox and clutch from a wreckyard in sweden, This will hold the power
This is my GS5-39DZ gearbox ready to fit with OM606 engine.
![[Image: 882c35871a4b.jpg]](http://s018.radikal.ru/i522/1201/e5/882c35871a4b.jpg)
BMW gearbox should hold your torque, but I'm in deep doubt about original clutch. I offer you to not waste money and buy some ceramic clutch and and stronger pressure plate.
(03-08-2012, 08:19 AM)EDH_Performance Haha, i just ordered a BMW e39 530d gearbox and clutch from a wreckyard in sweden, This will hold the power
This is my GS5-39DZ gearbox ready to fit with OM606 engine.
BMW gearbox should hold your torque, but I'm in deep doubt about original clutch. I offer you to not waste money and buy some ceramic clutch and and stronger pressure plate.
03-09-2012, 08:54 AM
#50
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
George3soccer
03-09-2012, 08:54 AM #50your options with a bmw tranny is huge with clutches.
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
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