Alternative to rare 190TD = 90-93 300TD (need your MPG input too!)
Alternative to rare 190TD = 90-93 300TD (need your MPG input too!)
So i found out they had a 1990-1993 300TD with the!! Fuel efficient+very capable 2.5L inline 5 turbo diesel.
(I don't want the 6cyl/5cyl 3.0L, I heard the 5cyl 2.5/ 4cyl 2.2 gets way better mpg)
I need your help.
I would like to know the differences..
like...
curb weight (having a difficult time figuring this out)
I think they are both 4 spd auto rwd though.
Comment on your part of your 1987TD or other N/A 2.5L MPG
I keep hearing people are claiming 30-40MPG with the 1987 TD and N/A
So that means the 1990-1993 could do same? unless its way heavier or something like that..
Also what are you getting in your 300td MPG wise? (90-93 2.5 5cyl only please)
Future plans if this all sounds right and I buy one.
1. Dieselmeken pump mod to 150-250HP safely + without smoking so I don't get in trouble by the cops.
2. manual trans swap after.
Twinturboguy
03-15-2012, 12:08 PM #1I came to conclusion that its too hard to find the 1987 190TD in my area in USA.
So i found out they had a 1990-1993 300TD with the!! Fuel efficient+very capable 2.5L inline 5 turbo diesel.
(I don't want the 6cyl/5cyl 3.0L, I heard the 5cyl 2.5/ 4cyl 2.2 gets way better mpg)
I need your help.
I would like to know the differences..
like...
curb weight (having a difficult time figuring this out)
I think they are both 4 spd auto rwd though.
Comment on your part of your 1987TD or other N/A 2.5L MPG
I keep hearing people are claiming 30-40MPG with the 1987 TD and N/A
So that means the 1990-1993 could do same? unless its way heavier or something like that..
Also what are you getting in your 300td MPG wise? (90-93 2.5 5cyl only please)
Future plans if this all sounds right and I buy one.
1. Dieselmeken pump mod to 150-250HP safely + without smoking so I don't get in trouble by the cops.
2. manual trans swap after.
Average 26-28mpg about 80% in town driving. Not quite what I'd call city traffic but, 5 minutes late and my cummute time doubles, 8-10 miles each way depending on traffic and construction. (I try to be 10 minutes early.)
Worst mileage for a tank ever, 24.9mpg. Lots of idling while scraping the windshield and other idling while working on the car. Plus a bunch of WOT runs to check for smoke with ALDA adjustment. Hey, if the mileage will suck on that tank, get it all at once.
Best mileage ever, 34.4mpg about 50/50 cruising and in town. Never have gone far enough with this car to run only highway miles on a tank.
It's just now been a year since I bought the car. It needed a lot of little things done to be a very good daily driver.
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1993 300D 2.5L turbo. W124.128 2.5L 602.962
1991 350SD W126.134 Transplanted a 3.0L 603.961 into it.
'93 300D 2.5L turbo 4sp auto rwd.
Average 26-28mpg about 80% in town driving. Not quite what I'd call city traffic but, 5 minutes late and my cummute time doubles, 8-10 miles each way depending on traffic and construction. (I try to be 10 minutes early.)
Worst mileage for a tank ever, 24.9mpg. Lots of idling while scraping the windshield and other idling while working on the car. Plus a bunch of WOT runs to check for smoke with ALDA adjustment. Hey, if the mileage will suck on that tank, get it all at once.
Best mileage ever, 34.4mpg about 50/50 cruising and in town. Never have gone far enough with this car to run only highway miles on a tank.
It's just now been a year since I bought the car. It needed a lot of little things done to be a very good daily driver.
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1993 300D 2.5L turbo. W124.128 2.5L 602.962
1991 350SD W126.134 Transplanted a 3.0L 603.961 into it.
Cause if it does 24-35mpg.. Ill be very happy with that.
Maybe some days ill get 30-40. Who knows.
Thx you for your review.
go manual swap it now! lol (probably give it 5-10% more mpg
)Oh how is it with inspection?
Is it fun to drive?
Twinturboguy
03-15-2012, 02:04 PM #3thats not bad... Good Job..
Cause if it does 24-35mpg.. Ill be very happy with that.
Maybe some days ill get 30-40. Who knows.
Thx you for your review.
go manual swap it now! lol (probably give it 5-10% more mpg )
Oh how is it with inspection?
Is it fun to drive?
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
Very few modified MB diesel have the manual transmission. The automatic is preferred with those that have higher HP.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
(03-16-2012, 08:16 AM)MTUPower Very few modified MB diesel have the manual transmission. The automatic is preferred with those that have higher HP.
Your Crazy, Everybody is doing it! Like Will Farrell says.
"Were STREAKING!!, STREAKING, EVERYBODI is DOING IT"
![[Image: Will_Ferrell_streaking_Old_School__350w_263h_thumb.jpg]](http://skinnyrunner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Will_Ferrell_streaking_Old_School__350w_263h_thumb.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...yeY#t=109s
I forget which trans they are swapping them with. But be nice if they had a nice strong 6spd tall gearing manual to mate with.
Twinturboguy
03-16-2012, 08:29 AM #6(03-16-2012, 08:16 AM)MTUPower Very few modified MB diesel have the manual transmission. The automatic is preferred with those that have higher HP.
Your Crazy, Everybody is doing it! Like Will Farrell says.
"Were STREAKING!!, STREAKING, EVERYBODI is DOING IT"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...yeY#t=109s
I forget which trans they are swapping them with. But be nice if they had a nice strong 6spd tall gearing manual to mate with.
(03-16-2012, 08:16 AM)MTUPower Very few modified MB diesel have the manual transmission. The automatic is preferred with those that have higher HP.
Manual transmisson, GS5-39dz from a BMW e39 530d can handle around 1000nm
EDH_Performance
03-16-2012, 08:43 AM #7(03-16-2012, 08:16 AM)MTUPower Very few modified MB diesel have the manual transmission. The automatic is preferred with those that have higher HP.
Manual transmisson, GS5-39dz from a BMW e39 530d can handle around 1000nm
is it a 5spd or 6? what years did it come out?
and if that trans is too expensive.. what others mate that are good.
I heard there are some for MB that had stronger 5spd mate easy.
Twinturboguy
03-16-2012, 08:56 AM #8THx you sir. I heard about one of those.
is it a 5spd or 6? what years did it come out?
and if that trans is too expensive.. what others mate that are good.
I heard there are some for MB that had stronger 5spd mate easy.
(03-16-2012, 08:56 AM)Twinturboguy THx you sir. I heard about one of those.
is it a 5spd or 6? what years did it come out?
and if that trans is too expensive.. what others mate that are good.
I heard there are some for MB that had stronger 5spd mate easy.
Its a 5 speed with a 1:1 on 5th
It is from the E39 series, around 99-01.It isn`t bolt on, but can handle the power!
The 6speed from the cdi models(200/220) is stronger than the old crappy 717 5speed!
EDH_Performance
03-16-2012, 09:05 AM #9(03-16-2012, 08:56 AM)Twinturboguy THx you sir. I heard about one of those.
is it a 5spd or 6? what years did it come out?
and if that trans is too expensive.. what others mate that are good.
I heard there are some for MB that had stronger 5spd mate easy.
Its a 5 speed with a 1:1 on 5th
It is from the E39 series, around 99-01.It isn`t bolt on, but can handle the power!
The 6speed from the cdi models(200/220) is stronger than the old crappy 717 5speed!
its nice to keep an eye out.
hows the fitment for the CDI 200-220.? interested in a 6spd
Will any of these fit good?
strong?
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Transmission...s%252DBenz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-MERCEDES-C230...3378wt_992
http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-11-Mercedes-C...2849wt_980
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-MANUAL-TRAN...3195wt_988
Twinturboguy
03-16-2012, 09:12 AM #10O.o Ill look into those CDI 200/220 MB? I like to go as far as researching all the parts and see if people have them local etc.
its nice to keep an eye out.
hows the fitment for the CDI 200-220.? interested in a 6spd
Will any of these fit good?
strong?
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Transmission...s%252DBenz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-MERCEDES-C230...3378wt_992
http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-11-Mercedes-C...2849wt_980
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-MANUAL-TRAN...3195wt_988
worst mileage 22mpg when I first got it with a bunch of fuel leaks on the injection pump
Last tank mixed driving 25mpg
or 450mile per fill up I'm hoping to get it to 500 mile per tank
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
03-16-2012, 09:31 AM #11My 1987 300sdl gets 24mpg with the 3.0 6cyl average. And on one road trip got 29mpg with the auto but I'm swapping in a 6spd manual with over drive I'm hoping that will help
worst mileage 22mpg when I first got it with a bunch of fuel leaks on the injection pump
Last tank mixed driving 25mpg or 450mile per fill up I'm hoping to get it to 500 mile per tank
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
but Enjoy. I bet it has power.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?a...11&id=1864
something about the damn 2.2L 2.5L they are insane on MPG.
Twinturboguy
03-16-2012, 09:38 AM #12So so not bad... but thats why not getting 6cyl check out the difference.
but Enjoy. I bet it has power.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?a...11&id=1864
something about the damn 2.2L 2.5L they are insane on MPG.
(03-15-2012, 02:04 PM)Twinturboguy thats not bad... Good Job..
Cause if it does 24-35mpg.. Ill be very happy with that.
Maybe some days ill get 30-40. Who knows.
Thx you for your review.
go manual swap it now! lol (probably give it 5-10% more mpg
Oh how is it with inspection?
Is it fun to drive?
Inspection in NJ for a pre '96 Diesel is,,,, clean off the sticker and drive. I'm sure if you're blowing too much smoke all the time, you would probably get pulled over and given a ticket. But, no safety inspection and no emission inspection for 1995 and older diesels.
To me it's fun to drive. Since the ALDA adjustment it surprises most people that ride in it and realize it's a diesel. I can't beat everyone at a light but, I can pull out in traffic with confidence.
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1993 300D 2.5L turbo. W124.128 2.5L 602.962
1991 350SD W126.134 Transplanted a 3.0L 603.961 into it.
(03-15-2012, 02:04 PM)Twinturboguy thats not bad... Good Job..
Cause if it does 24-35mpg.. Ill be very happy with that.
Maybe some days ill get 30-40. Who knows.
Thx you for your review.
go manual swap it now! lol (probably give it 5-10% more mpg
Oh how is it with inspection?
Is it fun to drive?
Inspection in NJ for a pre '96 Diesel is,,,, clean off the sticker and drive. I'm sure if you're blowing too much smoke all the time, you would probably get pulled over and given a ticket. But, no safety inspection and no emission inspection for 1995 and older diesels.
To me it's fun to drive. Since the ALDA adjustment it surprises most people that ride in it and realize it's a diesel. I can't beat everyone at a light but, I can pull out in traffic with confidence.
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1993 300D 2.5L turbo. W124.128 2.5L 602.962
1991 350SD W126.134 Transplanted a 3.0L 603.961 into it.
When you considering its the size of a big caddie and gets near 30mpg its pretty impressive I bet this engine in a 201 could get insane mpg
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
03-16-2012, 11:25 AM #14Well the w126 is like two times bigger than a w201
When you considering its the size of a big caddie and gets near 30mpg its pretty impressive I bet this engine in a 201 could get insane mpg
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
300Td 90-93 is basically a 190d just fancier right?
Also so for inspect every two years we pick up a sticker? or hows that work lol. For it to be so simple, if confuses me! ah lol
Twinturboguy
03-16-2012, 11:57 AM #15Yeah very impressive. Confused why they label the 1990-1993 TD 300D tag.. as it is 2,900-3,200 pounds. and yours looks like a tank hehe.
300Td 90-93 is basically a 190d just fancier right?
Also so for inspect every two years we pick up a sticker? or hows that work lol. For it to be so simple, if confuses me! ah lol
Its the midsize car of the bunch in my opinion it just right! like a 5 series BMW
There very rare but they did make a 86-87? 524td turbo diesel bmw with a 2.4 6cylinder diesel in the US for like 2 years
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
03-16-2012, 12:03 PM #16The 1990-1993 300td is a w124 chassis its between the w201 and the w126 in size and weight
Its the midsize car of the bunch in my opinion it just right! like a 5 series BMW
There very rare but they did make a 86-87? 524td turbo diesel bmw with a 2.4 6cylinder diesel in the US for like 2 years
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
(03-16-2012, 09:12 AM)Twinturboguy Will any of these fit good?
strong?
2002 C-class would be one of the ones that sort of fit. The shifter opening in the trans tunnel had to be widened for it, see here:
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...sel?page=2
The 90+ W124 is about 500lbs heavier than the 190.
(03-16-2012, 09:12 AM)Twinturboguy Will any of these fit good?
strong?
2002 C-class would be one of the ones that sort of fit. The shifter opening in the trans tunnel had to be widened for it, see here:
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...sel?page=2
The 90+ W124 is about 500lbs heavier than the 190.
not too concerned about shifter. I got to pm him if he has pics of the whole trans install.
Also I googled it and the difference from 190 87 2.5 diesel turbo Vs 190 (90-93) 2.5 diesel turbo..
Its like 100-250lbs difference from numbers I've seen.
Twinturboguy
03-19-2012, 07:12 AM #19Thx! Woah looks like hes holding 500-700 LBTQ
not too concerned about shifter. I got to pm him if he has pics of the whole trans install.
Also I googled it and the difference from 190 87 2.5 diesel turbo Vs 190 (90-93) 2.5 diesel turbo..
Its like 100-250lbs difference from numbers I've seen.
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