R-12 replacement
R-12 replacement
04-19-2012, 04:47 PM
#1
So I was wondering what is the deal with this, and also if there's anything simple I can do about the leak? I noticed all of the r-134a replacement stuff said it had leak-stopper or whatever in it and was wondering if the R-12 replacement has the same kind of leak stopper stuff in it.
Thanks!
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
04-19-2012, 04:47 PM #1Last summer I got my A/C fixed and working good, unfortunately all of the refrigerant leaked out after a couple months because the place I went was a little incompetent and when I took the car back for them to fix the leak they said I would have to leave it there for a week, so I just left. Now that its starting to get warm out again I want to get it refilled, and when I was at O'Reilly earlier they said you can't get the generic replacement in California anymore??
So I was wondering what is the deal with this, and also if there's anything simple I can do about the leak? I noticed all of the r-134a replacement stuff said it had leak-stopper or whatever in it and was wondering if the R-12 replacement has the same kind of leak stopper stuff in it.
Thanks!
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
04-19-2012, 06:40 PM
#2
My opinion is you need to actually find out where the leak is. It could be anything, like your compressor blew out a seal, leaking hose, condenser or evaporator.
You may need to put some dye in they system and UV light it or have it sniff tested.
Just in case if your interested, I have 5 cans of Freeze 12 that I'm selling.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
04-19-2012, 06:40 PM #2I'm not a fan of stop leak products. There is a video out there that I can't find which shows how stop leak products clog a system.
My opinion is you need to actually find out where the leak is. It could be anything, like your compressor blew out a seal, leaking hose, condenser or evaporator.
You may need to put some dye in they system and UV light it or have it sniff tested.
Just in case if your interested, I have 5 cans of Freeze 12 that I'm selling.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
04-19-2012, 07:03 PM
#3
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
04-19-2012, 07:03 PM #3Yeah I guess you're right, I should just find the leak. As for the freeze 12, how much are you asking?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
04-19-2012, 07:12 PM
#4
(04-19-2012, 07:03 PM)sassparilla_kid Yeah I guess you're right, I should just find the leak. As for the freeze 12, how much are you asking?
12 bucks a can. Just trying to get my money back as I'm using R12.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
04-19-2012, 07:12 PM #4(04-19-2012, 07:03 PM)sassparilla_kid Yeah I guess you're right, I should just find the leak. As for the freeze 12, how much are you asking?
12 bucks a can. Just trying to get my money back as I'm using R12.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
04-20-2012, 06:30 AM
#5
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
If you're interested, you can take the section 608 Test for $25.00 and you can legally buy REAL R-12 refrigerant. The other stuff really does not compare to the real McCoy. Just my .02 cents worth.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
04-20-2012, 09:50 AM
#6
(04-20-2012, 06:30 AM)Greazzer If you're interested, you can take the section 608 Test for $25.00 and you can legally buy REAL R-12 refrigerant. The other stuff really does not compare to the real McCoy. Just my .02 cents worth.
Yep R12 great stuff for our cars and I would definitely recommend it.
But if you are chasing a leak, Freeze 12 is cheaper to loose than R12.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
04-20-2012, 09:50 AM #6(04-20-2012, 06:30 AM)Greazzer If you're interested, you can take the section 608 Test for $25.00 and you can legally buy REAL R-12 refrigerant. The other stuff really does not compare to the real McCoy. Just my .02 cents worth.
Yep R12 great stuff for our cars and I would definitely recommend it.
But if you are chasing a leak, Freeze 12 is cheaper to loose than R12.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
04-20-2012, 12:37 PM
#7
(04-20-2012, 06:30 AM)Greazzer If you're interested, you can take the section 608 Test for $25.00 and you can legally buy REAL R-12 refrigerant. The other stuff really does not compare to the real McCoy. Just my .02 cents worth.
Is it an online test like the "California Food Handler's Test" I had to take before working at a restaurant or is it more like a hunter safety test where you have to go to a course for a couple hours and then take the test?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
04-20-2012, 12:37 PM #7(04-20-2012, 06:30 AM)Greazzer If you're interested, you can take the section 608 Test for $25.00 and you can legally buy REAL R-12 refrigerant. The other stuff really does not compare to the real McCoy. Just my .02 cents worth.
Is it an online test like the "California Food Handler's Test" I had to take before working at a restaurant or is it more like a hunter safety test where you have to go to a course for a couple hours and then take the test?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
04-20-2012, 02:09 PM
#8
(04-20-2012, 12:37 PM)sassparilla_kid(04-20-2012, 06:30 AM)Greazzer If you're interested, you can take the section 608 Test for $25.00 and you can legally buy REAL R-12 refrigerant. The other stuff really does not compare to the real McCoy. Just my .02 cents worth.
Is it an online test like the "California Food Handler's Test" I had to take before working at a restaurant or is it more like a hunter safety test where you have to go to a course for a couple hours and then take the test?
609 Certification online testing.
http://www.epatest.com/609/openbook/
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
04-20-2012, 02:09 PM #8(04-20-2012, 12:37 PM)sassparilla_kid(04-20-2012, 06:30 AM)Greazzer If you're interested, you can take the section 608 Test for $25.00 and you can legally buy REAL R-12 refrigerant. The other stuff really does not compare to the real McCoy. Just my .02 cents worth.
Is it an online test like the "California Food Handler's Test" I had to take before working at a restaurant or is it more like a hunter safety test where you have to go to a course for a couple hours and then take the test?
609 Certification online testing.
http://www.epatest.com/609/openbook/
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
04-20-2012, 11:09 PM
#9
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
04-20-2012, 11:09 PM #9I'll have to check it out, probably won't be able to do anything towards it though for a while since the end of the semester is near and I have a lot of school work I need to do/ catch up on
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
04-21-2012, 06:43 PM
#10
(04-20-2012, 11:09 PM)sassparilla_kid I'll have to check it out, probably won't be able to do anything towards it though for a while since the end of the semester is near and I have a lot of school work I need to do/ catch up on
You got to be kidding me. That test took collectively about 2 hours and that was everything from signing up to getting one's grade. But for arguing with my nephew while taking the test, I would have gotten 50 out of 50. Instead, I got one wrong. It is incredibly easy. Delivery Valve is right about the costs, however, for R-12 vs. the other stuff. If you are guaranteed no leaks, then R-12 is the way to go IMO.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
(04-20-2012, 11:09 PM)sassparilla_kid I'll have to check it out, probably won't be able to do anything towards it though for a while since the end of the semester is near and I have a lot of school work I need to do/ catch up on
You got to be kidding me. That test took collectively about 2 hours and that was everything from signing up to getting one's grade. But for arguing with my nephew while taking the test, I would have gotten 50 out of 50. Instead, I got one wrong. It is incredibly easy. Delivery Valve is right about the costs, however, for R-12 vs. the other stuff. If you are guaranteed no leaks, then R-12 is the way to go IMO.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
04-21-2012, 08:17 PM
#11
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
04-21-2012, 08:17 PM #11Alright well maybe I'll look into it sooner, but since I don't have a job right now I doubt I'll be buying R-12 anytime soon lol
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
04-22-2012, 11:01 AM
#12
I just had a member over at benzworld send me a link on this kit which includes a parallel flow condenser, new hoses, mounting brackets and stock dryer.
http://www.klimakit.com/product-o/
For $239.95 plus shipping I think it's a good price in terms of time savings of sourcing these parts. But you can certainly do it cheaper and get a tad bigger condenser (16x20 in the kit vs sourcing a 16x22 )if you are acquiring it all yourself.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
04-22-2012, 11:01 AM #12Just a note for everyone. If your going to run R134a, it would be a benefit to install a parallel flow condenser and perhaps a larger dryer.
I just had a member over at benzworld send me a link on this kit which includes a parallel flow condenser, new hoses, mounting brackets and stock dryer.
http://www.klimakit.com/product-o/
For $239.95 plus shipping I think it's a good price in terms of time savings of sourcing these parts. But you can certainly do it cheaper and get a tad bigger condenser (16x20 in the kit vs sourcing a 16x22 )if you are acquiring it all yourself.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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