I did it 95 Turbo 606
I did it 95 Turbo 606
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OK here it is I acquired a couple of turbos this year from a hx 35,hx 40,k29, and a monster Cummings turbo. So I machined the flanges for split man. and built a header and full 3" exhaust. I put the HX35 on the motor I still need to put a egt gauge and and a boost gauge on the exhaust. I currently am getting 15lbs of boost at 5000 under load. I can only get 5 lbs in neutral revving it. I have the 12 cm exhaust I saw it works great for 300 hp which is said to be ok on this motor. I want to turn the pump up until I can get a modified pump from myna or with the 7.5 elements.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
03-26-2010, 08:23 AM #2Nice job! I wouldn't worry about boost in neutral - you really need a load, i.e. driving to produce good usuable boost and what fun is boosting in neutral
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
W124 300D or turboD pump? What tranny?
If your engine is original turbo-606, then it's okay for around 450hp with stock internals. HX35 won't be enough for that
Nice work, but put a intercooler there! Your boost won't build due to lack of fueling. It will work very nicely with the modified pump, I' d say 25psi before 3000rpm.
W124 300D or turboD pump? What tranny?
If your engine is original turbo-606, then it's okay for around 450hp with stock internals. HX35 won't be enough for that
original 95 non turbo motor and trans I get 15 lbs by 4000 under load it is a huge increase on the hills here in Portland. I am shooting for 300 hp don't need that much more. I know the trans prob won't hold but will over come that when it starts slipping. The Intercooler will be on in the next couple weeks same with the pump turn up.
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
Alastair E
04-02-2010, 02:02 PM #7WOW!--So, your engine was a Normally-Aspirated, Non-Turbo to start with!, and its good for over 300BHP, by shoving a Turbo on there...?
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
(04-02-2010, 12:58 PM)muurisAre you shure about this, I have a E300D-24 136hp here, and I want approxematly 250 hp in my car, I know that the Rods/pistons are weaker on the non-turbo, and it`s missing oilsprayed pistons and filled ex-valves.(04-02-2010, 09:20 AM)Einar Stock pistons & rods?
Do you think it will last?
Don't have to think about it, has been proven to last with 300hp with stock rods. Pistons are good for even higher.
Maybe I should try, the 603A in my TDT is a bit oil-consuming.
(04-02-2010, 12:58 PM)muurisAre you shure about this, I have a E300D-24 136hp here, and I want approxematly 250 hp in my car, I know that the Rods/pistons are weaker on the non-turbo, and it`s missing oilsprayed pistons and filled ex-valves.(04-02-2010, 09:20 AM)Einar Stock pistons & rods?
Do you think it will last?
Don't have to think about it, has been proven to last with 300hp with stock rods. Pistons are good for even higher.
Maybe I should try, the 603A in my TDT is a bit oil-consuming.
(04-03-2010, 04:06 AM)Einar(04-02-2010, 12:58 PM)muurisAre you shure about this, I have a E300D-24 136hp here, and I want approxematly 250 hp in my car, I know that the Rods/pistons are weaker on the non-turbo, and it`s missing oilsprayed pistons and filled ex-valves.(04-02-2010, 09:20 AM)Einar Stock pistons & rods?
Do you think it will last?
Don't have to think about it, has been proven to last with 300hp with stock rods. Pistons are good for even higher.
Maybe I should try, the 603A in my TDT is a bit oil-consuming.
the non-turbo 24 valve also have oil-cooled pistons, and it will happily accept some boost, up to 1.5-1.8 BAR, the boost is whats kills them. intercooler and mynä IP and you got your 250 hp almost failproof engine Tongue
(04-03-2010, 04:06 AM)Einar(04-02-2010, 12:58 PM)muurisAre you shure about this, I have a E300D-24 136hp here, and I want approxematly 250 hp in my car, I know that the Rods/pistons are weaker on the non-turbo, and it`s missing oilsprayed pistons and filled ex-valves.(04-02-2010, 09:20 AM)Einar Stock pistons & rods?
Do you think it will last?
Don't have to think about it, has been proven to last with 300hp with stock rods. Pistons are good for even higher.
Maybe I should try, the 603A in my TDT is a bit oil-consuming.
the non-turbo 24 valve also have oil-cooled pistons, and it will happily accept some boost, up to 1.5-1.8 BAR, the boost is whats kills them. intercooler and mynä IP and you got your 250 hp almost failproof engine Tongue
There should be room for an I/C in the lower portion of your bumper. Would any of you recommend a cooler size for a W124 if I need it to be in and out the same side i.e. right hand? The bigger the better?
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
Spaceraver
08-12-2010, 12:15 PM #11Hi there.. According to my search on EPC, there are oil cooled pistons, just not so much cooling as there is on the turbo versions. The turbo versions use a different pistion with channels in them to cool even more.
There should be room for an I/C in the lower portion of your bumper. Would any of you recommend a cooler size for a W124 if I need it to be in and out the same side i.e. right hand? The bigger the better?
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
It's been proven hard to get under 300hp from OM606 with Mynä-pump and a proper turbo..
(04-03-2010, 05:37 AM)ForcedInduction Right, OM606 is much weaker than the 606a or 603a.
Not so sure about the latter. A bit weaker on connecting rods, but much stronger on the head department.
Boost won't kill N/A OM606, it's the torque (as connecting rods are the first to give up). The head gasket withstands around 3bar boost no problem. The pistons are different, but no worries there, proven to withstand at least 90hp/cyl.
It's been proven hard to get under 300hp from OM606 with Mynä-pump and a proper turbo..
(04-03-2010, 05:37 AM)ForcedInduction Right, OM606 is much weaker than the 606a or 603a.
Not so sure about the latter. A bit weaker on connecting rods, but much stronger on the head department.
I have over 6000 miles on it and it is so much more fun to drive.The car gets about 34 mpg even with some flogging. I have a 603 turbo pump to put on it after I get Tomnik's 7.5 elements. This car goes down the interstate so much better at all speeds. If you have a NA 606 and were worried don't be, mine is better to drive and less stress considering I don't put my foot in it as much anymore.
But that can be put on 605 and 606 turbo engine. That fits also 602/3 but there has to drill couple holes.
When you get that 7.5mm pump in it and it, then you know how weak those N/A rods are.
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
602, 603, 605 N/A, 606 N/A dont have mls head gasket.
But that can be put on 605 and 606 turbo engine. That fits also 602/3 but there has to drill couple holes.
When you get that 7.5mm pump in it and it, then you know how weak those N/A rods are.
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-19-2010, 09:19 AM #16Do you have any video showing how that OM606 spools with the HX35 (with 12cm² wastegated turbine housing)?
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
That seems to spool pretty well - very good to know.
Must be nice to have a mechanical pump OM606 that doesn't defuel at the shifts. Mine defuels in a big way since my transmission is worn...grrr.
Beers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-21-2010, 09:25 AM #18Cool!
That seems to spool pretty well - very good to know.
Must be nice to have a mechanical pump OM606 that doesn't defuel at the shifts. Mine defuels in a big way since my transmission is worn...grrr.
Beers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
(04-02-2010, 02:02 PM)Alastair E WOW!--So, your engine was a Normally-Aspirated, Non-Turbo to start with!, and its good for over 300BHP, by shoving a Turbo on there...?
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
Hi Alistair,
We put a Janspeed turbo/intercooler kit on an OM617 in 1982 fitted to and S class W116 with a four speed manual 'box. We firstly overhauled the engine,new pistons,new bearins etc. This was a total success,the car performed brilliantly and went on to give 150,000 miles of faithful service averaging 30mpg. The original OM617 developed 88bhp. The turbo intercooled version was supposed develop 125bhp but in reality it felt and performed more like 170/180bhp.
" It is far easier to get forgiveness rather than permission"
Riverstick
12-08-2010, 06:46 PM #19(04-02-2010, 02:02 PM)Alastair E WOW!--So, your engine was a Normally-Aspirated, Non-Turbo to start with!, and its good for over 300BHP, by shoving a Turbo on there...?
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
Hi Alistair,
We put a Janspeed turbo/intercooler kit on an OM617 in 1982 fitted to and S class W116 with a four speed manual 'box. We firstly overhauled the engine,new pistons,new bearins etc. This was a total success,the car performed brilliantly and went on to give 150,000 miles of faithful service averaging 30mpg. The original OM617 developed 88bhp. The turbo intercooled version was supposed develop 125bhp but in reality it felt and performed more like 170/180bhp.
" It is far easier to get forgiveness rather than permission"
(12-11-2010, 06:50 AM)erling66 Hi
Where did you connect the oil line for the turbo? and what about the oil return to the sump?
Is the oil pump the same on 606n/a and 606 turbo?
For supply line I pulled the oil filter housing and tapped the outlet for 1/8 npt and t off the sending unit. As for the return I drilled and tapped the block just above the oil pan I can send pics if needed. The motor is completely stock so no oil pump change.
(12-11-2010, 06:50 AM)erling66 Hi
Where did you connect the oil line for the turbo? and what about the oil return to the sump?
Is the oil pump the same on 606n/a and 606 turbo?
For supply line I pulled the oil filter housing and tapped the outlet for 1/8 npt and t off the sending unit. As for the return I drilled and tapped the block just above the oil pan I can send pics if needed. The motor is completely stock so no oil pump change.
(12-11-2010, 01:50 PM)95e300dez(12-11-2010, 06:50 AM)erling66 Hi
Where did you connect the oil line for the turbo? and what about the oil return to the sump?
Is the oil pump the same on 606n/a and 606 turbo?
For supply line I pulled the oil filter housing and tapped the outlet for 1/8 npt and t off the sending unit. As for the return I drilled and tapped the block just above the oil pan I can send pics if needed. The motor is completely stock so no oil pump change.
95e300dez, could you add the piccies to this thread for the oil return.
Also, what manifold are you using, stock manifold welded or custom?
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
Spaceraver
02-16-2011, 11:33 PM #22(12-11-2010, 01:50 PM)95e300dez(12-11-2010, 06:50 AM)erling66 Hi
Where did you connect the oil line for the turbo? and what about the oil return to the sump?
Is the oil pump the same on 606n/a and 606 turbo?
For supply line I pulled the oil filter housing and tapped the outlet for 1/8 npt and t off the sending unit. As for the return I drilled and tapped the block just above the oil pan I can send pics if needed. The motor is completely stock so no oil pump change.
95e300dez, could you add the piccies to this thread for the oil return.
Also, what manifold are you using, stock manifold welded or custom?
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
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(02-17-2011, 10:58 PM)Jtn190D Wouldn't one from a om606 turbo engine work?
Not with its extremely tiny outlet.
ForcedInduction
02-18-2011, 08:19 AM
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(02-17-2011, 10:58 PM)Jtn190D Wouldn't one from a om606 turbo engine work?
Not with its extremely tiny outlet.
So the turbo sits on top of your manifold, i'm guessing weld els for the manifold, a support bracket would be good to add anyhow. What's the size of that, ID is also a good reference?
Flange looks cut with a grinder or torch.
And how about the exhaust ports matching the flange on yours as it is a 4 valve, oval ports to round tube is a bit bad for flow unless you purposely add lots of weld material and then grind back..
I have access to CNC machines for having a flange made, and will be doing both a TIG and a MIG to weld, so mine will probably be a bit more refined. Making it car show neat as it is. No offence about your manifold.
How did you drill the return and get the shavings out? Without dropping the pan i see no solution other than flushing the whole sump in diesel or having a magnet on the drill. Even so flushing it would make me sleep sounder.
TA Stefan
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
Spaceraver
02-18-2011, 05:39 PM #2795e300dez: Looking good. Built manifold at home?
So the turbo sits on top of your manifold, i'm guessing weld els for the manifold, a support bracket would be good to add anyhow. What's the size of that, ID is also a good reference?
Flange looks cut with a grinder or torch.
And how about the exhaust ports matching the flange on yours as it is a 4 valve, oval ports to round tube is a bit bad for flow unless you purposely add lots of weld material and then grind back..
I have access to CNC machines for having a flange made, and will be doing both a TIG and a MIG to weld, so mine will probably be a bit more refined. Making it car show neat as it is. No offence about your manifold.
How did you drill the return and get the shavings out? Without dropping the pan i see no solution other than flushing the whole sump in diesel or having a magnet on the drill. Even so flushing it would make me sleep sounder.
TA Stefan
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
02-28-2013, 09:03 AM #29I like it, there's nothing quite like a homemade turbo manifold to make you smile on the highway
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(02-27-2013, 10:21 PM)95e300dez I pulled my pump and have sent it to Dieselmeken and will have another part of the puzzle will be looking for a 722.6 for the next part. I will also be pulling the subframe and installing new bushings.
I can easily get a 722.6 for you. There are many 722.6's at the yard I frequent.
(02-27-2013, 10:21 PM)95e300dez I pulled my pump and have sent it to Dieselmeken and will have another part of the puzzle will be looking for a 722.6 for the next part. I will also be pulling the subframe and installing new bushings.
I can easily get a 722.6 for you. There are many 722.6's at the yard I frequent.
(03-01-2013, 09:05 PM)TheDon(02-27-2013, 10:21 PM)95e300dez I pulled my pump and have sent it to Dieselmeken and will have another part of the puzzle will be looking for a 722.6 for the next part. I will also be pulling the subframe and installing new bushings.
I can easily get a 722.6 for you. There are many 722.6's at the yard I frequent.
How much are they I have to look around here just tried my normal yard and they don't have cars that new? Also wonder what shipping to 83646 would be?
(03-01-2013, 09:05 PM)TheDon(02-27-2013, 10:21 PM)95e300dez I pulled my pump and have sent it to Dieselmeken and will have another part of the puzzle will be looking for a 722.6 for the next part. I will also be pulling the subframe and installing new bushings.
I can easily get a 722.6 for you. There are many 722.6's at the yard I frequent.
Or which turbo to choose if I´m not planning to modify my IP elements (just planning tu turn full load screw)?
Of course I need intercooler too.
I have same engine on my dailydrive C124. So if I put original turbo manifolds and turbo (+build turbo lubrication) and turn up my injection pump (wich has original 5.5 elements) than I should get ~120-130kW??
Or which turbo to choose if I´m not planning to modify my IP elements (just planning tu turn full load screw)?
Of course I need intercooler too.
, maybe 170-190 hp? it is real?
(03-15-2013, 02:54 PM)Bangaway How much horsepower do you think the stock 95 E300 transmission can handle?
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[/img] Look what just was dropped at the front door. I already have the limo bar installed this H&R bar should be a nice addition.
(04-02-2010, 02:02 PM)Alastair E WOW!--So, your engine was a Normally-Aspirated, Non-Turbo to start with!, and its good for over 300BHP, by shoving a Turbo on there...?
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
om606,dieselmeken pump,550hp 2,4 bar boost,huge intercooler and engise is never opened 500000+km stock internals
(04-02-2010, 02:02 PM)Alastair E WOW!--So, your engine was a Normally-Aspirated, Non-Turbo to start with!, and its good for over 300BHP, by shoving a Turbo on there...?
--Mega-WOW!
Great to hear successes like this! (Would love to shove a 606 in my old W123 Wagon, but havent really the time or the place to do it, plus its my daily driver....)
Do you have any information on fitting a Turbo to the old cast-iron Normally-Aspirated OM.617, I know you guys in Finland have done some amazing things with those too, but I'm guessing they were Turbo to start with!...
A Proper Turbo OM.617.952 is Unobtainium here in U.K!
--Any info would be appreciated....!
--Sorry to go off-topic a little bit.....
om606,dieselmeken pump,550hp 2,4 bar boost,huge intercooler and engise is never opened 500000+km stock internals
I just talked to Goran he said the pump is finished. I submitted my payment so Goran said he will ship the pump tomorrow then I will just be waiting on the postal system. I can't wait to get to drive it with this pump. I also just replaced all the bushings in the rear end and installed my new sway bar.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
04-22-2013, 02:49 PM #49sweet take some videos please
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
Well I installed my pump and took it for a test drive by myself wow what a difference. I will try and get some video the next couple of days. I have to go get it smog checked they want to pull registration otherwise. I am very happy with the power gains and I haven't even hooked up the alda for the extra little kick.
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