Questions about an om617 project
Questions about an om617 project
05-06-2013, 08:48 PM
#1
It looks like people are using the hx35s? The om617 is a t3 flange so this would bolt up if it is a t3 flange correct?
Also what types of intercoolers are everyone using?
Any other modifications that I might be missing?
My goal is around 200hp and it will be bolted up to an ax-15 transmission and put in a 92 isuzu pickup.
I'm currently working on an om617 superturbo project and have been reading up a lot about pumps and turbos and want to clarify some stuff. Pretty sure I've ready sourced an 'm' pump and going to have it sent to dieselmeken. Now I need a bigger turbo and intercooler.
It looks like people are using the hx35s? The om617 is a t3 flange so this would bolt up if it is a t3 flange correct?
Also what types of intercoolers are everyone using?
Any other modifications that I might be missing?
My goal is around 200hp and it will be bolted up to an ax-15 transmission and put in a 92 isuzu pickup.
05-08-2013, 09:43 AM
#4
(05-06-2013, 08:48 PM)Njdub bolted up to an ax-15 transmission
I would consider a different transmission for offroading...that AX-15 is not too strong and depending on the offroading you do, not as much fun to use... The AW-4 is the same bolt pattern and a good offroad trans as long as you keep it cool. The wiring for the pre-96 ones are easy as well, just grab the module under the pass. side dash and the wiring to the trans... likely a swap kit out there as well...
Anyway, an HX-35 would be a nice match, but with a modified pump you would probably want more along the lines of an HX-40.
A liquid to air intercooler would likely be easiest to route and fit under the hood, but a little more complex.
This post was last modified: 05-08-2013, 09:55 AM by SurfRodder.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
05-08-2013, 09:43 AM #4(05-06-2013, 08:48 PM)Njdub bolted up to an ax-15 transmission
I would consider a different transmission for offroading...that AX-15 is not too strong and depending on the offroading you do, not as much fun to use... The AW-4 is the same bolt pattern and a good offroad trans as long as you keep it cool. The wiring for the pre-96 ones are easy as well, just grab the module under the pass. side dash and the wiring to the trans... likely a swap kit out there as well...
Anyway, an HX-35 would be a nice match, but with a modified pump you would probably want more along the lines of an HX-40.
A liquid to air intercooler would likely be easiest to route and fit under the hood, but a little more complex.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
05-08-2013, 01:23 PM
#5
This truck is lowered a lot and I'm planning on air ride soon but want to put the om617 first.
Ill check out the hx40 though. I don't know much of anything about turbos so any info is welcomed.
Thanks for the advice surfrodder but I should have mentioned this isn't a wheeler or going off road.
This truck is lowered a lot and I'm planning on air ride soon but want to put the om617 first.
Ill check out the hx40 though. I don't know much of anything about turbos so any info is welcomed.
05-08-2013, 02:02 PM
#6
This post was last modified: 05-08-2013, 02:02 PM by Simpler=Better.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
05-08-2013, 02:02 PM #6HX35 turbos are crazy cheap coming off cummins, so if $$ is an issue that's always an option. Make sure you're got pyrometer and exhaust pressure gauges installed pre turbo.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
05-08-2013, 04:27 PM
#7
(05-08-2013, 02:02 PM)Simpler=Better HX35 turbos are crazy cheap coming off cummins, so if $$ is an issue that's always an option. Make sure you're got pyrometer and exhaust pressure gauges installed pre turbo.
Yeah thats what i plan on doing. Just to make sure the hx35 with a t3 flange is what i want correct?
(05-08-2013, 02:02 PM)Simpler=Better HX35 turbos are crazy cheap coming off cummins, so if $$ is an issue that's always an option. Make sure you're got pyrometer and exhaust pressure gauges installed pre turbo.
Yeah thats what i plan on doing. Just to make sure the hx35 with a t3 flange is what i want correct?
05-09-2013, 01:13 AM
#8
(05-08-2013, 01:23 PM)Njdub Thanks for the advice surfrodder but I should have mentioned this isn't a wheeler or going off road.
This truck is lowered a lot and I'm planning on air ride soon but want to put the om617 first.
That changes everything then... I hate automatics on the road, but appreciate them in the mud and sand...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
05-09-2013, 01:13 AM #8(05-08-2013, 01:23 PM)Njdub Thanks for the advice surfrodder but I should have mentioned this isn't a wheeler or going off road.
This truck is lowered a lot and I'm planning on air ride soon but want to put the om617 first.
That changes everything then... I hate automatics on the road, but appreciate them in the mud and sand...
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
05-09-2013, 07:08 AM
#9
Should Help with lowend, but the wastegate should allow plenty of topend flow also.
Just my thoughts
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
SurfRodder, don't you think he would be better off with a hy35 because of the tighter housing?
Should Help with lowend, but the wastegate should allow plenty of topend flow also.
Just my thoughts
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
05-09-2013, 08:15 AM
#10
Ed
yankneck696
05-09-2013, 08:15 AM #10The HY would get you off the line better. Just have Goran set the pump for the turbo. Soon, I'll be replacing my HY with an HX on my 01 Cummins. It'll need a rebuild (simple) $150 shipped if you want it.
Ed
05-11-2013, 08:30 AM
#12
(05-10-2013, 10:38 PM)Njdub I've found a few hx35s on ebay for a fair price and am thinking about pulling the trigger. I just need to tell goran which turbo I plan on using?
Yup, and how you plan to drive it (drag race, daily, offroad,etc)
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
05-11-2013, 08:30 AM #12(05-10-2013, 10:38 PM)Njdub I've found a few hx35s on ebay for a fair price and am thinking about pulling the trigger. I just need to tell goran which turbo I plan on using?
Yup, and how you plan to drive it (drag race, daily, offroad,etc)
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
05-13-2013, 10:12 AM
#13
(05-09-2013, 07:08 AM)MFSuper90 SurfRodder, don't you think he would be better off with a hy35 because of the tighter housing?you're correct...generally a smaller exhaust housing is better on smaller engines like ours, I didnt even think about it as he was asking if the hx would work with a modified pump.
Should Help with lowend, but the wastegate should allow plenty of topend flow also.
Just my thoughts
(05-08-2013, 04:27 PM)Njdub Just to make sure the hx35 with a t3 flange is what i want correct?Since I havent seen this addressed yet (maybe Im just being blind, tho):
Yes, both the HY and HX should have a T3 flange.
This post was last modified: 05-13-2013, 10:15 AM by SurfRodder.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
05-13-2013, 10:12 AM #13(05-09-2013, 07:08 AM)MFSuper90 SurfRodder, don't you think he would be better off with a hy35 because of the tighter housing?you're correct...generally a smaller exhaust housing is better on smaller engines like ours, I didnt even think about it as he was asking if the hx would work with a modified pump.
Should Help with lowend, but the wastegate should allow plenty of topend flow also.
Just my thoughts
(05-08-2013, 04:27 PM)Njdub Just to make sure the hx35 with a t3 flange is what i want correct?Since I havent seen this addressed yet (maybe Im just being blind, tho):
Yes, both the HY and HX should have a T3 flange.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
05-14-2013, 07:32 PM
#14
(05-13-2013, 10:12 AM)SurfRodderThank you for all the info surfrodder!(05-09-2013, 07:08 AM)MFSuper90 SurfRodder, don't you think he would be better off with a hy35 because of the tighter housing?you're correct...generally a smaller exhaust housing is better on smaller engines like ours, I didnt even think about it as he was asking if the hx would work with a modified pump.
Should Help with lowend, but the wastegate should allow plenty of topend flow also.
Just my thoughts
(05-08-2013, 04:27 PM)Njdub Just to make sure the hx35 with a t3 flange is what i want correct?Since I havent seen this addressed yet (maybe Im just being blind, tho):
Yes, both the HY and HX should have a T3 flange.
(05-13-2013, 10:12 AM)SurfRodderThank you for all the info surfrodder!(05-09-2013, 07:08 AM)MFSuper90 SurfRodder, don't you think he would be better off with a hy35 because of the tighter housing?you're correct...generally a smaller exhaust housing is better on smaller engines like ours, I didnt even think about it as he was asking if the hx would work with a modified pump.
Should Help with lowend, but the wastegate should allow plenty of topend flow also.
Just my thoughts
(05-08-2013, 04:27 PM)Njdub Just to make sure the hx35 with a t3 flange is what i want correct?Since I havent seen this addressed yet (maybe Im just being blind, tho):
Yes, both the HY and HX should have a T3 flange.
05-16-2013, 03:51 PM
#16
(05-16-2013, 03:48 PM)snowbrd84 So an hy35 will bolt up to the OM617??
I put an OM617.951 in my Jeep with a 3 speed auto. My off the line acceleration sucks until it gets a little boost. Would the hy35 spool up faster and be a better turbo ??
I don't think so, but I'm not 100%. If you want faster boost a VNT will deliver.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
05-16-2013, 03:51 PM #16(05-16-2013, 03:48 PM)snowbrd84 So an hy35 will bolt up to the OM617??
I put an OM617.951 in my Jeep with a 3 speed auto. My off the line acceleration sucks until it gets a little boost. Would the hy35 spool up faster and be a better turbo ??
I don't think so, but I'm not 100%. If you want faster boost a VNT will deliver.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
05-16-2013, 09:28 PM
#17
(05-16-2013, 03:48 PM)snowbrd84 So an hy35 will bolt up to the OM617??
I put an OM617.951 in my Jeep with a 3 speed auto. My off the line acceleration sucks until it gets a little boost. Would the hy35 spool up faster and be a better turbo ??
faster than the stock garrett or kkk? No.
The hy35 has a much larger intake and turbine wheel than our stock turbos. (40mm I think, vs. 56mm inducer) Takes alot more exhaust gas to turn the bigger wheels even though it has a small exhaust housing. Faster than an hx? for sure.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(05-16-2013, 03:48 PM)snowbrd84 So an hy35 will bolt up to the OM617??
I put an OM617.951 in my Jeep with a 3 speed auto. My off the line acceleration sucks until it gets a little boost. Would the hy35 spool up faster and be a better turbo ??
faster than the stock garrett or kkk? No.
The hy35 has a much larger intake and turbine wheel than our stock turbos. (40mm I think, vs. 56mm inducer) Takes alot more exhaust gas to turn the bigger wheels even though it has a small exhaust housing. Faster than an hx? for sure.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
05-17-2013, 01:03 PM
#18
http://youtu.be/QrNzlMRq7XU
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
This is a hy35 on a om617
http://youtu.be/QrNzlMRq7XU
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
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