STD Tuning Engine How much power can 606.962 take?

How much power can 606.962 take?

How much power can 606.962 take?

 
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97e300
(its a 98 now)

109
12-16-2013, 02:49 PM #1
With stock internals, how much hp/tq can a 606.962 handle relatively reliably?
97e300
12-16-2013, 02:49 PM #1

With stock internals, how much hp/tq can a 606.962 handle relatively reliably?

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
12-16-2013, 04:02 PM #2
I've heard rumors around 400hp? I don't know for sure

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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
12-16-2013, 04:02 PM #2

I've heard rumors around 400hp? I don't know for sure


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

Tito
Holset

354
12-16-2013, 05:03 PM #3
I bet it can handle more safely. I'm using a n/a 603 and it's holding 300hp. Holds 2.5 bar boost. Daily driver.
This post was last modified: 12-16-2013, 05:05 PM by Tito.
Tito
12-16-2013, 05:03 PM #3

I bet it can handle more safely. I'm using a n/a 603 and it's holding 300hp. Holds 2.5 bar boost. Daily driver.

mike-81-240d
more like mike-84-300d now

427
12-16-2013, 07:34 PM #4
Blacksmokeracing blew theirs up a few times recently. Wasn't it at like 600 or something?

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mike-81-240d
12-16-2013, 07:34 PM #4

Blacksmokeracing blew theirs up a few times recently. Wasn't it at like 600 or something?


1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30 

Tito
Holset

354
12-16-2013, 08:35 PM #5
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...sel?page=3

He has about 500hp with unopend engine.
Tito
12-16-2013, 08:35 PM #5

http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...sel?page=3

He has about 500hp with unopend engine.

97e300
(its a 98 now)

109
12-16-2013, 08:41 PM #6
So you reckon 450HP would be a reasonable daily driver (haha)? Myna said his 7mm elements can supply up to around 600hp. What kind of turbo would be needed to let 450HP breathe? Also, BSR's 606 melted the pistons at around 500hp. Would getting the pistons coated help mitigate that issue if not a tad? Anyone have experience with piston coatings?
97e300
12-16-2013, 08:41 PM #6

So you reckon 450HP would be a reasonable daily driver (haha)? Myna said his 7mm elements can supply up to around 600hp. What kind of turbo would be needed to let 450HP breathe? Also, BSR's 606 melted the pistons at around 500hp. Would getting the pistons coated help mitigate that issue if not a tad? Anyone have experience with piston coatings?

Duncansport
Holset

526
12-16-2013, 08:48 PM #7
(12-16-2013, 08:41 PM)97e300 So you reckon 450HP would be a reasonable daily driver (haha)? Myna said his 7mm elements can supply up to around 600hp. What kind of turbo would be needed to let 450HP breathe? Also, BSR's 606 melted the pistons at around 500hp. Would getting the pistons coated help mitigate that issue if not a tad? Anyone have experience with piston coatings?

They are already coated in OE form.
Duncansport
12-16-2013, 08:48 PM #7

(12-16-2013, 08:41 PM)97e300 So you reckon 450HP would be a reasonable daily driver (haha)? Myna said his 7mm elements can supply up to around 600hp. What kind of turbo would be needed to let 450HP breathe? Also, BSR's 606 melted the pistons at around 500hp. Would getting the pistons coated help mitigate that issue if not a tad? Anyone have experience with piston coatings?

They are already coated in OE form.

97e300
(its a 98 now)

109
12-17-2013, 12:35 AM #8
Good to know! So what can one do to avoid a meltdown?
97e300
12-17-2013, 12:35 AM #8

Good to know! So what can one do to avoid a meltdown?

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
12-17-2013, 08:12 AM #9
(12-17-2013, 12:35 AM)97e300 Good to know! So what can one do to avoid a meltdown?

Intercooler, properly sized turbo, free flowing intake/exhaust, etc.

Maybe dropping the compression if you wanted to go to crazy boost levels?

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
12-17-2013, 08:12 AM #9

(12-17-2013, 12:35 AM)97e300 Good to know! So what can one do to avoid a meltdown?

Intercooler, properly sized turbo, free flowing intake/exhaust, etc.

Maybe dropping the compression if you wanted to go to crazy boost levels?


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
12-17-2013, 12:35 PM #10
(12-17-2013, 12:35 AM)97e300 So what can one do to avoid a meltdown?

Watch EGT's, use water injection, or nitrous Wink
but water/meth does better at lowering egts than nitrous does.

Some say nitrous sky rockets egts and some say it lowers then, so I guess it depends on your setup.

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
12-17-2013, 12:35 PM #10

(12-17-2013, 12:35 AM)97e300 So what can one do to avoid a meltdown?

Watch EGT's, use water injection, or nitrous Wink
but water/meth does better at lowering egts than nitrous does.

Some say nitrous sky rockets egts and some say it lowers then, so I guess it depends on your setup.


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

mantahead
Holset

600
12-17-2013, 03:48 PM #11
hi,
something is wrong if the pistons are melting.
BSR claimed 500bhp but never showed a dyno graph to prove it, i asked to see it but they never replied.

although they have commented lately about the piston problem,

"It seems the engine will not run for that long without the cooling effect that sufficient oil flow towards the pistons provide. The oil flow problem again, is caused by cracks"

[Image: breakdown-13.jpg]
This post was last modified: 12-17-2013, 03:56 PM by mantahead.
mantahead
12-17-2013, 03:48 PM #11

hi,
something is wrong if the pistons are melting.
BSR claimed 500bhp but never showed a dyno graph to prove it, i asked to see it but they never replied.

although they have commented lately about the piston problem,

"It seems the engine will not run for that long without the cooling effect that sufficient oil flow towards the pistons provide. The oil flow problem again, is caused by cracks"

[Image: breakdown-13.jpg]

swampmonkey
hx40 super

280
12-18-2013, 06:21 PM #12
a friend had his dynoed to 530whp before he bought it, still holding up except the gearbox 717401 broke down.
stock engine, Mynä 8mm, 3.2-3.5bar boost.
This post was last modified: 12-18-2013, 06:22 PM by swampmonkey.

---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
12-18-2013, 06:21 PM #12

a friend had his dynoed to 530whp before he bought it, still holding up except the gearbox 717401 broke down.
stock engine, Mynä 8mm, 3.2-3.5bar boost.


---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com

Domino81
Holset

53
12-20-2013, 08:26 PM #13
(12-18-2013, 06:21 PM)swampmonkey a friend had his dynoed to 530whp before he bought it, still holding up except the gearbox 717401 broke down.
stock engine, Mynä 8mm, 3.2-3.5bar boost.


So how long does it run on 3,2 boost?
Domino81
12-20-2013, 08:26 PM #13

(12-18-2013, 06:21 PM)swampmonkey a friend had his dynoed to 530whp before he bought it, still holding up except the gearbox 717401 broke down.
stock engine, Mynä 8mm, 3.2-3.5bar boost.


So how long does it run on 3,2 boost?

swampmonkey
hx40 super

280
12-24-2013, 07:43 AM #14
(12-20-2013, 08:26 PM)Domino81
(12-18-2013, 06:21 PM)swampmonkey a friend had his dynoed to 530whp before he bought it, still holding up except the gearbox 717401 broke down.
stock engine, Mynä 8mm, 3.2-3.5bar boost.


So how long does it run on 3,2 boost?

untill ir revs out on that gear. he had an welded 3.69 before, but an 2.47LSD now, so perhaps the extra resistance would kill the engine, he is going back to a 3.07 and 6speed as it looks now.

il pm you a video.
This post was last modified: 12-24-2013, 05:40 PM by swampmonkey.

---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
12-24-2013, 07:43 AM #14

(12-20-2013, 08:26 PM)Domino81
(12-18-2013, 06:21 PM)swampmonkey a friend had his dynoed to 530whp before he bought it, still holding up except the gearbox 717401 broke down.
stock engine, Mynä 8mm, 3.2-3.5bar boost.


So how long does it run on 3,2 boost?

untill ir revs out on that gear. he had an welded 3.69 before, but an 2.47LSD now, so perhaps the extra resistance would kill the engine, he is going back to a 3.07 and 6speed as it looks now.

il pm you a video.


---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com

mantahead
Holset

600
12-24-2013, 05:23 PM #15
i heard this guy is running about 580bhp,818nm on standard engine with stronger valve springs.

mantahead
12-24-2013, 05:23 PM #15

i heard this guy is running about 580bhp,818nm on standard engine with stronger valve springs.

Domino81
Holset

53
12-24-2013, 06:38 PM #16
(12-24-2013, 07:43 AM)swampmonkey
(12-20-2013, 08:26 PM)Domino81
(12-18-2013, 06:21 PM)swampmonkey a friend had his dynoed to 530whp before he bought it, still holding up except the gearbox 717401 broke down.
stock engine, Mynä 8mm, 3.2-3.5bar boost.


So how long does it run on 3,2 boost?

untill ir revs out on that gear. he had an welded 3.69 before, but an 2.47LSD now, so perhaps the extra resistance would kill the engine, he is going back to a 3.07 and 6speed as it looks now.

il pm you a video.

thanks, it's a cool vid but what I have asked for is for how long in time did he manage to drive it so far when tuned with the hx40 and 8mm with 3,2 bar Smile
I have to admit, these can be tricky for differentials..
Domino81
12-24-2013, 06:38 PM #16

(12-24-2013, 07:43 AM)swampmonkey
(12-20-2013, 08:26 PM)Domino81
(12-18-2013, 06:21 PM)swampmonkey a friend had his dynoed to 530whp before he bought it, still holding up except the gearbox 717401 broke down.
stock engine, Mynä 8mm, 3.2-3.5bar boost.


So how long does it run on 3,2 boost?

untill ir revs out on that gear. he had an welded 3.69 before, but an 2.47LSD now, so perhaps the extra resistance would kill the engine, he is going back to a 3.07 and 6speed as it looks now.

il pm you a video.

thanks, it's a cool vid but what I have asked for is for how long in time did he manage to drive it so far when tuned with the hx40 and 8mm with 3,2 bar Smile
I have to admit, these can be tricky for differentials..

swampmonkey
hx40 super

280
12-25-2013, 07:54 PM #17
(12-24-2013, 06:38 PM)Domino81
(12-24-2013, 07:43 AM)swampmonkey
(12-20-2013, 08:26 PM)Domino81 So how long does it run on 3,2 boost?

untill ir revs out on that gear. he had an welded 3.69 before, but an 2.47LSD now, so perhaps the extra resistance would kill the engine, he is going back to a 3.07 and 6speed as it looks now.

il pm you a video.

thanks, it's a cool vid but what I have asked for is for how long in time did he manage to drive it so far when tuned with the hx40 and 8mm with 3,2 bar Smile
I have to admit, these can be tricky for differentials..

i think it was turned up to more like 4bar at the begining, dialed down, and peaks at around 3.4 nowdays.
lived its first life in the northern part of sweden like half a year, raced a couple of SLS AMGs and other cars, not pampered at al.
1/4 mile on 13.75seconds something 189km/h

we drove it 1200km from northern sweden to gothenburg, (highway speed)
he layed out perhaps 300km extra with rough driving, changed differential, drove 200km to trackday, raced a couple of laps, untill the gearbox broke down.

right now he is on the look for a replacement gearbox, the 717401 lost the third gear,
This post was last modified: 12-26-2013, 06:09 PM by swampmonkey.

---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
12-25-2013, 07:54 PM #17

(12-24-2013, 06:38 PM)Domino81
(12-24-2013, 07:43 AM)swampmonkey
(12-20-2013, 08:26 PM)Domino81 So how long does it run on 3,2 boost?

untill ir revs out on that gear. he had an welded 3.69 before, but an 2.47LSD now, so perhaps the extra resistance would kill the engine, he is going back to a 3.07 and 6speed as it looks now.

il pm you a video.

thanks, it's a cool vid but what I have asked for is for how long in time did he manage to drive it so far when tuned with the hx40 and 8mm with 3,2 bar Smile
I have to admit, these can be tricky for differentials..

i think it was turned up to more like 4bar at the begining, dialed down, and peaks at around 3.4 nowdays.
lived its first life in the northern part of sweden like half a year, raced a couple of SLS AMGs and other cars, not pampered at al.
1/4 mile on 13.75seconds something 189km/h

we drove it 1200km from northern sweden to gothenburg, (highway speed)
he layed out perhaps 300km extra with rough driving, changed differential, drove 200km to trackday, raced a couple of laps, untill the gearbox broke down.

right now he is on the look for a replacement gearbox, the 717401 lost the third gear,


---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com

mantahead
Holset

600
12-26-2013, 03:30 PM #18
hi swampmonkey,
any chance of posting up a link to that video?
be nice to see that

thanks
mantahead
12-26-2013, 03:30 PM #18

hi swampmonkey,
any chance of posting up a link to that video?
be nice to see that

thanks

Domino81
Holset

53
12-27-2013, 02:50 PM #19
(12-25-2013, 07:54 PM)swampmonkey
(12-24-2013, 06:38 PM)Domino81
(12-24-2013, 07:43 AM)swampmonkey untill ir revs out on that gear. he had an welded 3.69 before, but an 2.47LSD now, so perhaps the extra resistance would kill the engine, he is going back to a 3.07 and 6speed as it looks now.

il pm you a video.

thanks, it's a cool vid but what I have asked for is for how long in time did he manage to drive it so far when tuned with the hx40 and 8mm with 3,2 bar Smile
I have to admit, these can be tricky for differentials..

i think it was turned up to more like 4bar at the begining, dialed down, and peaks at around 3.4 nowdays.
lived its first life in the northern part of sweden like half a year, raced a couple of SLS AMGs and other cars, not pampered at al.
1/4 mile on 13.75seconds something 189km/h

we drove it 1200km from northern sweden to gothenburg, (highway speed)
he layed out perhaps 300km extra with rough driving, changed differential, drove 200km to trackday, raced a couple of laps, untill the gearbox broke down.

right now he is on the look for a replacement gearbox, the 717401 lost the third gear,

Hi, thanks, it let's us think that that set up seems reliable for track days and under heavy load.. (despite the gearbox failure)..

Reliability definition may however vary depending on the period or expected distances of the test.. I'd say about reliability of unopened om606 if someone have driven it for over 50tkm with pressures of >3bar..
Domino81
12-27-2013, 02:50 PM #19

(12-25-2013, 07:54 PM)swampmonkey
(12-24-2013, 06:38 PM)Domino81
(12-24-2013, 07:43 AM)swampmonkey untill ir revs out on that gear. he had an welded 3.69 before, but an 2.47LSD now, so perhaps the extra resistance would kill the engine, he is going back to a 3.07 and 6speed as it looks now.

il pm you a video.

thanks, it's a cool vid but what I have asked for is for how long in time did he manage to drive it so far when tuned with the hx40 and 8mm with 3,2 bar Smile
I have to admit, these can be tricky for differentials..

i think it was turned up to more like 4bar at the begining, dialed down, and peaks at around 3.4 nowdays.
lived its first life in the northern part of sweden like half a year, raced a couple of SLS AMGs and other cars, not pampered at al.
1/4 mile on 13.75seconds something 189km/h

we drove it 1200km from northern sweden to gothenburg, (highway speed)
he layed out perhaps 300km extra with rough driving, changed differential, drove 200km to trackday, raced a couple of laps, untill the gearbox broke down.

right now he is on the look for a replacement gearbox, the 717401 lost the third gear,

Hi, thanks, it let's us think that that set up seems reliable for track days and under heavy load.. (despite the gearbox failure)..

Reliability definition may however vary depending on the period or expected distances of the test.. I'd say about reliability of unopened om606 if someone have driven it for over 50tkm with pressures of >3bar..

swampmonkey
hx40 super

280
12-27-2013, 04:02 PM #20
(12-27-2013, 02:50 PM)Domino81
(12-25-2013, 07:54 PM)swampmonkey
(12-24-2013, 06:38 PM)Domino81 thanks, it's a cool vid but what I have asked for is for how long in time did he manage to drive it so far when tuned with the hx40 and 8mm with 3,2 bar Smile
I have to admit, these can be tricky for differentials..

i think it was turned up to more like 4bar at the begining, dialed down, and peaks at around 3.4 nowdays.
lived its first life in the northern part of sweden like half a year, raced a couple of SLS AMGs and other cars, not pampered at al.
1/4 mile on 13.75seconds something 189km/h

we drove it 1200km from northern sweden to gothenburg, (highway speed)
he layed out perhaps 300km extra with rough driving, changed differential, drove 200km to trackday, raced a couple of laps, untill the gearbox broke down.

right now he is on the look for a replacement gearbox, the 717401 lost the third gear,

Hi, thanks, it let's us think that that set up seems reliable for track days and under heavy load.. (despite the gearbox failure)..

Reliability definition may however vary depending on the period or expected distances of the test.. I'd say about reliability of unopened om606 if someone have driven it for over 50tkm with pressures of >3bar..

probably depends on how you drive to....
low rpm, with high EGTs and bad injectors, no oilcooler, insufficient cooling of boostair compared to high speed, high rpm, oilcooler, good injectors, and low intake air temperatures...

---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
12-27-2013, 04:02 PM #20

(12-27-2013, 02:50 PM)Domino81
(12-25-2013, 07:54 PM)swampmonkey
(12-24-2013, 06:38 PM)Domino81 thanks, it's a cool vid but what I have asked for is for how long in time did he manage to drive it so far when tuned with the hx40 and 8mm with 3,2 bar Smile
I have to admit, these can be tricky for differentials..

i think it was turned up to more like 4bar at the begining, dialed down, and peaks at around 3.4 nowdays.
lived its first life in the northern part of sweden like half a year, raced a couple of SLS AMGs and other cars, not pampered at al.
1/4 mile on 13.75seconds something 189km/h

we drove it 1200km from northern sweden to gothenburg, (highway speed)
he layed out perhaps 300km extra with rough driving, changed differential, drove 200km to trackday, raced a couple of laps, untill the gearbox broke down.

right now he is on the look for a replacement gearbox, the 717401 lost the third gear,

Hi, thanks, it let's us think that that set up seems reliable for track days and under heavy load.. (despite the gearbox failure)..

Reliability definition may however vary depending on the period or expected distances of the test.. I'd say about reliability of unopened om606 if someone have driven it for over 50tkm with pressures of >3bar..

probably depends on how you drive to....
low rpm, with high EGTs and bad injectors, no oilcooler, insufficient cooling of boostair compared to high speed, high rpm, oilcooler, good injectors, and low intake air temperatures...


---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com

john
GTA2056V

90
12-30-2013, 04:37 AM #21
Stock internals?? is there any upgrades you can buy for the 606? I was under the impression that the stock turbo 606 had the strongest internals avalibel?

Holset power!
john
12-30-2013, 04:37 AM #21

Stock internals?? is there any upgrades you can buy for the 606? I was under the impression that the stock turbo 606 had the strongest internals avalibel?


Holset power!

swampmonkey
hx40 super

280
12-31-2013, 06:05 AM #22
(12-30-2013, 04:37 AM)john Stock internals?? is there any upgrades you can buy for the 606? I was under the impression that the stock turbo 606 had the strongest internals avalibel?

seems that people change valvesprings and other stuff, just pointing out that none of those was changed or tampered with (if it was my friends car you where refering to)

---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
12-31-2013, 06:05 AM #22

(12-30-2013, 04:37 AM)john Stock internals?? is there any upgrades you can buy for the 606? I was under the impression that the stock turbo 606 had the strongest internals avalibel?

seems that people change valvesprings and other stuff, just pointing out that none of those was changed or tampered with (if it was my friends car you where refering to)


---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com

john
GTA2056V

90
12-31-2013, 06:27 AM #23
(12-31-2013, 06:05 AM)swampmonkey
(12-30-2013, 04:37 AM)john Stock internals?? is there any upgrades you can buy for the 606? I was under the impression that the stock turbo 606 had the strongest internals avalibel?

seems that people change valvesprings and other stuff, just pointing out that none of those was changed or tampered with (if it was my friends car you where refering to)

No i meant rods, pistons, cams etc. Oh valvesprings offcourse, forgot that.
Impressive numbers the 606 can take!!!

Holset power!
john
12-31-2013, 06:27 AM #23

(12-31-2013, 06:05 AM)swampmonkey
(12-30-2013, 04:37 AM)john Stock internals?? is there any upgrades you can buy for the 606? I was under the impression that the stock turbo 606 had the strongest internals avalibel?

seems that people change valvesprings and other stuff, just pointing out that none of those was changed or tampered with (if it was my friends car you where refering to)

No i meant rods, pistons, cams etc. Oh valvesprings offcourse, forgot that.
Impressive numbers the 606 can take!!!


Holset power!

Eric78
GT2559V

198
02-07-2014, 04:13 AM #24
I've heard that the 4 valve OM60x turbo engines will reliably hold around 90hp per cylinder with stock internals, not sure how true this is.
Eric78
02-07-2014, 04:13 AM #24

I've heard that the 4 valve OM60x turbo engines will reliably hold around 90hp per cylinder with stock internals, not sure how true this is.

shadowmaker
K26-2

31
02-11-2014, 05:47 AM #25
Original bottom end seems to be very tough indeed. We are using Arrow rods, but we like to think that even original rods would do current 693bhp/1250Nm just fine. This engine did around 20 000km and wore 8 sets of rear tires before it broke and we were little surprised that it lasted so long. Car is really hard driven daily driver with tow bar and full interior. IRC our best trap on 1/4 mile was ~215kmh with no traction. Apart from bottom end, nothing is original in the engine. Best power is @7000rpm and shifting point/rev limiter @7500rpm.

Next engine will have compound turbos and we have already made very succesfull tests. I think we have enough power as it is (it burns tires up to 220kmh with dry tarmac and road legal tires), but we want it to behave like modern turbodiesel plus get rid of the smoke. We'll see how it turns out.
shadowmaker
02-11-2014, 05:47 AM #25

Original bottom end seems to be very tough indeed. We are using Arrow rods, but we like to think that even original rods would do current 693bhp/1250Nm just fine. This engine did around 20 000km and wore 8 sets of rear tires before it broke and we were little surprised that it lasted so long. Car is really hard driven daily driver with tow bar and full interior. IRC our best trap on 1/4 mile was ~215kmh with no traction. Apart from bottom end, nothing is original in the engine. Best power is @7000rpm and shifting point/rev limiter @7500rpm.

Next engine will have compound turbos and we have already made very succesfull tests. I think we have enough power as it is (it burns tires up to 220kmh with dry tarmac and road legal tires), but we want it to behave like modern turbodiesel plus get rid of the smoke. We'll see how it turns out.

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
02-11-2014, 10:07 AM #26
Shadowmaster, what broke?
And did you have the head fire ringed or o-ringed?
Just wondering what all it took on the upper end.
Btw, you speak English very well! Very nice, I know it's not an easy language to learn

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
02-11-2014, 10:07 AM #26

Shadowmaster, what broke?
And did you have the head fire ringed or o-ringed?
Just wondering what all it took on the upper end.
Btw, you speak English very well! Very nice, I know it's not an easy language to learn


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

mantahead
Holset

600
02-11-2014, 03:33 PM #27
hi Shadowmaker,
welcome to the forum,

any videos of the car in action.
mantahead
02-11-2014, 03:33 PM #27

hi Shadowmaker,
welcome to the forum,

any videos of the car in action.

Turbo
Holset

489
02-11-2014, 03:59 PM #28
So Janne you have found your way here, welcome, hope you have found some more time now even if children a lot of time


(02-11-2014, 05:47 AM)shadowmaker Original bottom end seems to be very tough indeed. We are using Arrow rods, but we like to think that even original rods would do current 693bhp/1250Nm just fine. This engine did around 20 000km and wore 8 sets of rear tires before it broke and we were little surprised that it lasted so long. Car is really hard driven daily driver with tow bar and full interior. IRC our best trap on 1/4 mile was ~215kmh with no traction. Apart from bottom end, nothing is original in the engine. Best power is @7000rpm and shifting point/rev limiter @7500rpm.

Next engine will have compound turbos and we have already made very succesfull tests. I think we have enough power as it is (it burns tires up to 220kmh with dry tarmac and road legal tires), but we want it to behave like modern turbodiesel plus get rid of the smoke. We'll see how it turns out.
Turbo
02-11-2014, 03:59 PM #28

So Janne you have found your way here, welcome, hope you have found some more time now even if children a lot of time


(02-11-2014, 05:47 AM)shadowmaker Original bottom end seems to be very tough indeed. We are using Arrow rods, but we like to think that even original rods would do current 693bhp/1250Nm just fine. This engine did around 20 000km and wore 8 sets of rear tires before it broke and we were little surprised that it lasted so long. Car is really hard driven daily driver with tow bar and full interior. IRC our best trap on 1/4 mile was ~215kmh with no traction. Apart from bottom end, nothing is original in the engine. Best power is @7000rpm and shifting point/rev limiter @7500rpm.

Next engine will have compound turbos and we have already made very succesfull tests. I think we have enough power as it is (it burns tires up to 220kmh with dry tarmac and road legal tires), but we want it to behave like modern turbodiesel plus get rid of the smoke. We'll see how it turns out.

shadowmaker
K26-2

31
02-12-2014, 11:35 AM #29
(02-11-2014, 10:07 AM)MFSuper90 Shadowmaster, what broke?

[Image: IMG_2456_zps943e0f3a.jpg]

No fire rings, just VHT copper gasket cement.

This is one of the first 1/4 mile runs after my involvement with this car. Owner had made several 1/4 runs over three years before and his best was something like 13,7s/192kmh. This run was with 70-80% fuelling and just 3bar pressure to see that everything is OK.

First run


Here's a second run of the day. We dialed around 90-95% fueling and 4bar boost to get the car into 10s zone. At halfway we were 0,6s faster than on our previous 11,4s pass, but @250m driver made a change miss as rear tires lost their grip around 6500rpm on 3rd gear (at that time shift point was @6800rpm). Still 11,6s with only 150kmh on the finish line. Engine got totaled by over revving.

Second run


After that we have never got the time or weather to run this car at Alastaro 1/4 mile track. We have tried "airport tracks" but there's no way to get any traction sufficient for this car as we have no room for any bigger race tires as this is a true daily driver.

Airport track


And to clarify, this isn't my car. I've just been helping out to find some power, operating range and reliability out of it as a hobby. I really don't care about gassers as I find them too easy to play with...
shadowmaker
02-12-2014, 11:35 AM #29

(02-11-2014, 10:07 AM)MFSuper90 Shadowmaster, what broke?

[Image: IMG_2456_zps943e0f3a.jpg]

No fire rings, just VHT copper gasket cement.

This is one of the first 1/4 mile runs after my involvement with this car. Owner had made several 1/4 runs over three years before and his best was something like 13,7s/192kmh. This run was with 70-80% fuelling and just 3bar pressure to see that everything is OK.

First run


Here's a second run of the day. We dialed around 90-95% fueling and 4bar boost to get the car into 10s zone. At halfway we were 0,6s faster than on our previous 11,4s pass, but @250m driver made a change miss as rear tires lost their grip around 6500rpm on 3rd gear (at that time shift point was @6800rpm). Still 11,6s with only 150kmh on the finish line. Engine got totaled by over revving.

Second run


After that we have never got the time or weather to run this car at Alastaro 1/4 mile track. We have tried "airport tracks" but there's no way to get any traction sufficient for this car as we have no room for any bigger race tires as this is a true daily driver.

Airport track


And to clarify, this isn't my car. I've just been helping out to find some power, operating range and reliability out of it as a hobby. I really don't care about gassers as I find them too easy to play with...

Tito
Holset

354
02-12-2014, 12:28 PM #30
Is there a tread somewhere on the internet of that car?
Tito
02-12-2014, 12:28 PM #30

Is there a tread somewhere on the internet of that car?

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
02-12-2014, 12:45 PM #31
I wonder if you could prevent that by hard-blok or a girdle

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
02-12-2014, 12:45 PM #31

I wonder if you could prevent that by hard-blok or a girdle


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

Gasoil
K26-2

46
02-14-2014, 05:51 AM #32
(02-12-2014, 12:28 PM)Tito Is there a tread somewhere on the internet of that car?

Mersuforum.net.
Gasoil
02-14-2014, 05:51 AM #32

(02-12-2014, 12:28 PM)Tito Is there a tread somewhere on the internet of that car?

Mersuforum.net.

bigbortha
Naturally-aspirated

18
02-14-2014, 11:46 AM #33
You need to scroll just past half way on the first page

http://mersuforum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph...e8638c6fa6
bigbortha
02-14-2014, 11:46 AM #33

You need to scroll just past half way on the first page

http://mersuforum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph...e8638c6fa6

bigbortha
Naturally-aspirated

18
02-15-2014, 04:23 AM #34
Sorry, wrong link , that one is for the off roader

This one is the right one i believe

http://mersuforum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph...c&start=60
bigbortha
02-15-2014, 04:23 AM #34

Sorry, wrong link , that one is for the off roader

This one is the right one i believe

http://mersuforum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph...c&start=60

 
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