OM606 rear sump oil pan?
OM606 rear sump oil pan?
07-23-2014, 11:13 PM
#52
Figures the solution would be discovered only after I fabricate a dry sump setup.
Whats the deal with the mesh near the front that looks like a front pickup? And the secondary tube that goes part way back? ...is that a secondary pump that pulls oil from the front and dumps it in the sump?
Figures the solution would be discovered only after I fabricate a dry sump setup.
07-24-2014, 02:08 AM
#53
(07-23-2014, 07:18 PM)ho55 Phew, thats good news, had me worried there.
So was I, just left to sort out the bolts then I can button it back up
(07-23-2014, 11:13 PM)vica153 Whats the deal with the mesh near the front that looks like a front pickup? And the secondary tube that goes part way back? ...is that a secondary pump that pulls oil from the front and dumps it in the sump?
Figures the solution would be discovered only after I fabricate a dry sump setup.
No idea what it is, but the 648 pump has an extra section in the main pump body making it overall longer. I don't really want to disect that pump unless I could find another cheap 648 pump?
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
07-24-2014, 02:08 AM #53(07-23-2014, 07:18 PM)ho55 Phew, thats good news, had me worried there.
So was I, just left to sort out the bolts then I can button it back up
(07-23-2014, 11:13 PM)vica153 Whats the deal with the mesh near the front that looks like a front pickup? And the secondary tube that goes part way back? ...is that a secondary pump that pulls oil from the front and dumps it in the sump?
Figures the solution would be discovered only after I fabricate a dry sump setup.
No idea what it is, but the 648 pump has an extra section in the main pump body making it overall longer. I don't really want to disect that pump unless I could find another cheap 648 pump?
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
07-24-2014, 05:26 PM
#54
(07-23-2014, 11:13 PM)vica153 Whats the deal with the mesh near the front that looks like a front pickup? And the secondary tube that goes part way back? ...is that a secondary pump that pulls oil from the front and dumps it in the sump?
Figures the solution would be discovered only after I fabricate a dry sump setup.
The port at the front with the mesh is the outlet. Drops the oil onto the front of the sump which aids cooling i guess.
Secondary tube at a guess - overpressure bypass?
Simon if you find the bolt part numbers could you post them please? And to be sure is this the 605 or 606 you are talking about. Shame they are different lengths i was just hoping to swap 4 over. I presume these can just be removed and re-torqued without upsetting the bearing shells?
This post was last modified: 07-24-2014, 05:30 PM by ho55.
(07-23-2014, 11:13 PM)vica153 Whats the deal with the mesh near the front that looks like a front pickup? And the secondary tube that goes part way back? ...is that a secondary pump that pulls oil from the front and dumps it in the sump?
Figures the solution would be discovered only after I fabricate a dry sump setup.
The port at the front with the mesh is the outlet. Drops the oil onto the front of the sump which aids cooling i guess.
Secondary tube at a guess - overpressure bypass?
Simon if you find the bolt part numbers could you post them please? And to be sure is this the 605 or 606 you are talking about. Shame they are different lengths i was just hoping to swap 4 over. I presume these can just be removed and re-torqued without upsetting the bearing shells?
07-24-2014, 06:36 PM
#55
(07-22-2014, 04:50 PM)ho55 I thought that Zeeman had confirmed that the 648 pump was a drop in fit. Zeeman did you really check for this offset?
Haven't been on forum for a while and getting up to speed. Enclosed are some pictures of the 648 pump on the 606 block. Everything lines up perfect.
Attached Files
Image(s)(07-22-2014, 04:50 PM)ho55 I thought that Zeeman had confirmed that the 648 pump was a drop in fit. Zeeman did you really check for this offset?
Haven't been on forum for a while and getting up to speed. Enclosed are some pictures of the 648 pump on the 606 block. Everything lines up perfect.
Attached Files
Image(s)
07-25-2014, 12:22 PM
#56
(07-24-2014, 05:26 PM)ho55(07-23-2014, 11:13 PM)vica153 Whats the deal with the mesh near the front that looks like a front pickup? And the secondary tube that goes part way back? ...is that a secondary pump that pulls oil from the front and dumps it in the sump?
Figures the solution would be discovered only after I fabricate a dry sump setup.
The port at the front with the mesh is the outlet. Drops the oil onto the front of the sump which aids cooling i guess.
Secondary tube at a guess - overpressure bypass?
Simon if you find the bolt part numbers could you post them please? And to be sure is this the 605 or 606 you are talking about. Shame they are different lengths i was just hoping to swap 4 over. I presume these can just be removed and re-torqued without upsetting the bearing shells?
I just looked closer at the 606 main cap bolts, the head is threaded for a 6mm x 1.00 bolt. Just need three bolts to hold oil pickup tube and oil pump to the main caps.
(07-24-2014, 05:26 PM)ho55(07-23-2014, 11:13 PM)vica153 Whats the deal with the mesh near the front that looks like a front pickup? And the secondary tube that goes part way back? ...is that a secondary pump that pulls oil from the front and dumps it in the sump?
Figures the solution would be discovered only after I fabricate a dry sump setup.
The port at the front with the mesh is the outlet. Drops the oil onto the front of the sump which aids cooling i guess.
Secondary tube at a guess - overpressure bypass?
Simon if you find the bolt part numbers could you post them please? And to be sure is this the 605 or 606 you are talking about. Shame they are different lengths i was just hoping to swap 4 over. I presume these can just be removed and re-torqued without upsetting the bearing shells?
I just looked closer at the 606 main cap bolts, the head is threaded for a 6mm x 1.00 bolt. Just need three bolts to hold oil pickup tube and oil pump to the main caps.
08-12-2014, 07:39 PM
#57
dieseljeep
08-12-2014, 07:39 PM #57Thanks for posting all the new info guys!! It's good to know that there is some input for the five cylinders as well for stuff with less engine bay length!!
08-13-2014, 01:10 PM
#58
The 648 pump has a round output with a recess, so it looks like an o-ring should go in there, which makes more sense.
Can one of you guys (Zeeman, Simon) confirm that it needs an o-ring?
Now the original pump has a square output aperture which mates against a square port on the engine, and i dont think an gasket was there. Which seems a bit strange.
The 648 pump has a round output with a recess, so it looks like an o-ring should go in there, which makes more sense.
Can one of you guys (Zeeman, Simon) confirm that it needs an o-ring?
08-13-2014, 04:54 PM
#59
(08-13-2014, 01:10 PM)ho55 Now the original pump has a square output aperture which mates against a square port on the engine, and i dont think an gasket was there. Which seems a bit strange.
The 648 pump has a round output with a recess, so it looks like an o-ring should go in there, which makes more sense.
Can one of you guys (Zeeman, Simon) confirm that it needs an o-ring?
Yep you need an o-ring, one of my pumps came with it, the other didn't. I'm sure the oil hole in the block was round, can't remember now and a bit hard to check as I dropped my engine in for trial fitting a few evenings ago!
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
08-13-2014, 04:54 PM #59(08-13-2014, 01:10 PM)ho55 Now the original pump has a square output aperture which mates against a square port on the engine, and i dont think an gasket was there. Which seems a bit strange.
The 648 pump has a round output with a recess, so it looks like an o-ring should go in there, which makes more sense.
Can one of you guys (Zeeman, Simon) confirm that it needs an o-ring?
Yep you need an o-ring, one of my pumps came with it, the other didn't. I'm sure the oil hole in the block was round, can't remember now and a bit hard to check as I dropped my engine in for trial fitting a few evenings ago!
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
09-02-2014, 11:31 AM
#60
I'm just finishing of swapping the sump and oil pump on my Land Rover OM606 swap and noticed the bellhousing holes don't line up. Should have it running later on, just need to blank the oil level sensor hole, fit a dipstick, fill with oil and connect an oil pressure gauge first.
It looks like I'll have to re-think the bellhousing adapter to take into account the different bellhousing bolt holes.
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
09-02-2014, 11:31 AM #60Has anyone spotted the OM648 6 cylinder rear bowl sump has four bellhousing threaded holes instead of the two that are on the OM605/6 and OM647?
I'm just finishing of swapping the sump and oil pump on my Land Rover OM606 swap and noticed the bellhousing holes don't line up. Should have it running later on, just need to blank the oil level sensor hole, fit a dipstick, fill with oil and connect an oil pressure gauge first.
It looks like I'll have to re-think the bellhousing adapter to take into account the different bellhousing bolt holes.
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
09-02-2014, 03:33 PM
#61
(07-18-2014, 02:03 PM)ho55 Be patient and search ebay with the part number (6480140302) one will come up. Check on ebay.de specifically too. I found mine for 50 Eur.
You do know that you have to change the oilpump for the 648 type too, dont you? The 606 pump will not fit with the 648 sump.
(07-13-2014, 10:09 AM)hooblah The cheapest 648 sump I can find is over £100. Wouldnt it be cheaper to just cut the flange off the 606 sump, turn it around and weld it back together?
Or is there some reason why people aren't doing that?
Thanks man i needed that info.
(07-18-2014, 02:03 PM)ho55 Be patient and search ebay with the part number (6480140302) one will come up. Check on ebay.de specifically too. I found mine for 50 Eur.
You do know that you have to change the oilpump for the 648 type too, dont you? The 606 pump will not fit with the 648 sump.
(07-13-2014, 10:09 AM)hooblah The cheapest 648 sump I can find is over £100. Wouldnt it be cheaper to just cut the flange off the 606 sump, turn it around and weld it back together?
Or is there some reason why people aren't doing that?
Thanks man i needed that info.
09-15-2014, 02:37 PM
#62
I have a GMC sierra classic longbed 2wd that originally had a 6,2 litre diesel.
But it broke down 20yrs ago and one of the previous owners replaced it with a regular gas 350.
the 350 works but dripps oil and has a bad ticking sound.. so the engine has to come out anyways...
And since im a mercedes guy why not put a real engine in there while im at it!
i have a stock om603 Turbodiesel and a stock om605 turbodiesel layin around, so i took my tapemeasure and started to scratch my head... 350 has rear sump and 603 has front sump.. it didnt fit very well ... =(
Started googling and found this!
And a few questions pops up!
1,
The 320 cdi pan compared to the stock oilpan how many cm do i gain ?
2,
Anyone have pic of the main cap bolts with treads on?
3,
Anyone driven an engine with this oilpan conversion yet ?
Alot of text and bad english Sorry!
/Martin From Sweden!
Looks like this would be perfect for my diesel conversion project!
I have a GMC sierra classic longbed 2wd that originally had a 6,2 litre diesel.
But it broke down 20yrs ago and one of the previous owners replaced it with a regular gas 350.
the 350 works but dripps oil and has a bad ticking sound.. so the engine has to come out anyways...
And since im a mercedes guy why not put a real engine in there while im at it!
i have a stock om603 Turbodiesel and a stock om605 turbodiesel layin around, so i took my tapemeasure and started to scratch my head... 350 has rear sump and 603 has front sump.. it didnt fit very well ... =(
Started googling and found this!
And a few questions pops up!
1,
The 320 cdi pan compared to the stock oilpan how many cm do i gain ?
2,
Anyone have pic of the main cap bolts with treads on?
3,
Anyone driven an engine with this oilpan conversion yet ?
Alot of text and bad english Sorry!
/Martin From Sweden!
09-18-2014, 04:26 AM
#63
I could measure some sumps and take some photos later, get a direct comparison between the two.
Again, the rear bowl sump bellhousing flange on my OM606 is different from the standard flange unlike my OM605 rear bowl sump which is the same. I don't know if it's an age thing or they are all like it?
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
09-18-2014, 04:26 AM #63I have some photos of my Land Rover OM606 conversion but I'm waiting for my bandwidth limit to reset. All the main cap bolts on my OM606 had the threaded bosses in the heads unlike my OM605, I don't know what the ages of the engines are, and am not sure if they are all like that or not?
I could measure some sumps and take some photos later, get a direct comparison between the two.
Again, the rear bowl sump bellhousing flange on my OM606 is different from the standard flange unlike my OM605 rear bowl sump which is the same. I don't know if it's an age thing or they are all like it?
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
09-19-2014, 04:37 AM
#65
(09-18-2014, 01:53 PM)wrinkols simonm16p6,
Which engine did the rear sump for your OM605 come from? I'm doing a swap into a 89 Raider and will likely need to have rear sump.
OM647, or search for 270CDI. There's usually a few on Ebay UK, then you will need the matching oil pump, and depending on how many main cap bolts which have the threaded bosses you may need some of them too.
I haven't completely figured out the sump splash plate yet, maybe a case of trying to get hold of one from a cdi too?
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
09-19-2014, 04:37 AM #65(09-18-2014, 01:53 PM)wrinkols simonm16p6,
Which engine did the rear sump for your OM605 come from? I'm doing a swap into a 89 Raider and will likely need to have rear sump.
OM647, or search for 270CDI. There's usually a few on Ebay UK, then you will need the matching oil pump, and depending on how many main cap bolts which have the threaded bosses you may need some of them too.
I haven't completely figured out the sump splash plate yet, maybe a case of trying to get hold of one from a cdi too?
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
09-22-2014, 05:12 AM
#67
(09-21-2014, 03:27 PM)ho55 Yeah i noted that the splash guard from the 606 does not fit at the rear with the 648 pump.
I was going to leave it off, its not that critical is it?
I think it should be fitted, if the manufacturer fitted them then they did for a reason. I'd guess oil surge would be the main reason for retaining it.
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
09-22-2014, 05:12 AM #67(09-21-2014, 03:27 PM)ho55 Yeah i noted that the splash guard from the 606 does not fit at the rear with the 648 pump.
I was going to leave it off, its not that critical is it?
I think it should be fitted, if the manufacturer fitted them then they did for a reason. I'd guess oil surge would be the main reason for retaining it.
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
10-01-2014, 10:14 AM
#68
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
simonm16p6 would you please furnish us with any information regarding your exhaust manifold made from sheetmetal?? It looks like Orgiami and I love it! Thanks
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
10-02-2014, 07:10 AM
#69
(09-15-2014, 02:37 PM)MrHope Looks like this would be perfect for my diesel conversion project!
I have a GMC sierra classic longbed 2wd that originally had a 6,2 litre diesel.
But it broke down 20yrs ago and one of the previous owners replaced it with a regular gas 350.
the 350 works but dripps oil and has a bad ticking sound.. so the engine has to come out anyways...
And since im a mercedes guy why not put a real engine in there while im at it!
i have a stock om603 Turbodiesel and a stock om605 turbodiesel layin around, so i took my tapemeasure and started to scratch my head... 350 has rear sump and 603 has front sump.. it didnt fit very well ... =(
Started googling and found this!
And a few questions pops up!
1,
The 320 cdi pan compared to the stock oilpan how many cm do i gain ?
2,
Anyone have pic of the main cap bolts with treads on?
3,
Anyone driven an engine with this oilpan conversion yet ?
Alot of text and bad english Sorry!
/Martin From Sweden!
OK got some photos of the OM605 and OM647 sumps side by side, the six cylinder is very similar, just longer!
![[Image: 100_7605_zpsae46916a.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7605_zpsae46916a.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7606_zps24b7d20c.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7606_zps24b7d20c.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7607_zpsc54f2ebe.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7607_zpsc54f2ebe.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7608_zps0287c8e2.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7608_zps0287c8e2.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7610_zps6ca6a652.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7610_zps6ca6a652.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7612_zps68e9fae6.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7612_zps68e9fae6.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7613_zps2bf77794.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7613_zps2bf77794.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7614_zps19e70c5a.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7614_zps19e70c5a.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7615_zps4a2db1c3.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7615_zps4a2db1c3.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7617_zps8c0e1a37.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7617_zps8c0e1a37.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7618_zps72143195.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7618_zps72143195.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7619_zpse30e8def.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7619_zpse30e8def.jpg)
The part number of the OM647 cylinder sump
![[Image: 100_7622_zpsaa4ff4aa.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7622_zpsaa4ff4aa.jpg)
The part number of the OM648 6 cylinder sump
![[Image: 100_7621_zps316054ac.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7621_zps316054ac.jpg)
These are the two types of main cap bolt that I know of, I cheated and swapped a few between my two engines to fit a windage tray into my OM605
![[Image: 100_7547_zpsdb4b510f.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Rover%20P6%20Project%20X/100_7547_zpsdb4b510f.jpg)
I do now have my OM605 running in a car with the OM647 sump fitted, not wired up or plumbed in, just sat on the mounts with a can of diesel balanced beside it, so no idea what the oil pressure etc is?
(10-01-2014, 10:14 AM)Hario simonm16p6 would you please furnish us with any information regarding your exhaust manifold made from sheetmetal?? It looks like Orgiami and I love it! Thanks
I'll throw something up later, I guess I have enough to start a proper project thread now
edit
The difference in bellhousing flanges between the OM606 and OM648 sumps that I have
![[Image: 100_7643_zpseddc9fde.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Mercedes%20OM60X%20stuff/100_7643_zpseddc9fde.jpg)
This post was last modified: 10-03-2014, 08:49 AM by simonm16p6.
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
10-02-2014, 07:10 AM #69(09-15-2014, 02:37 PM)MrHope Looks like this would be perfect for my diesel conversion project!
I have a GMC sierra classic longbed 2wd that originally had a 6,2 litre diesel.
But it broke down 20yrs ago and one of the previous owners replaced it with a regular gas 350.
the 350 works but dripps oil and has a bad ticking sound.. so the engine has to come out anyways...
And since im a mercedes guy why not put a real engine in there while im at it!
i have a stock om603 Turbodiesel and a stock om605 turbodiesel layin around, so i took my tapemeasure and started to scratch my head... 350 has rear sump and 603 has front sump.. it didnt fit very well ... =(
Started googling and found this!
And a few questions pops up!
1,
The 320 cdi pan compared to the stock oilpan how many cm do i gain ?
2,
Anyone have pic of the main cap bolts with treads on?
3,
Anyone driven an engine with this oilpan conversion yet ?
Alot of text and bad english Sorry!
/Martin From Sweden!
OK got some photos of the OM605 and OM647 sumps side by side, the six cylinder is very similar, just longer!
The part number of the OM647 cylinder sump
The part number of the OM648 6 cylinder sump
These are the two types of main cap bolt that I know of, I cheated and swapped a few between my two engines to fit a windage tray into my OM605
I do now have my OM605 running in a car with the OM647 sump fitted, not wired up or plumbed in, just sat on the mounts with a can of diesel balanced beside it, so no idea what the oil pressure etc is?
(10-01-2014, 10:14 AM)Hario simonm16p6 would you please furnish us with any information regarding your exhaust manifold made from sheetmetal?? It looks like Orgiami and I love it! Thanks
I'll throw something up later, I guess I have enough to start a proper project thread now
edit
The difference in bellhousing flanges between the OM606 and OM648 sumps that I have
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
10-08-2014, 07:28 AM
#70
Yeah i guess i should source the correct OM648 oil guard. A bit hard to find, may have to buy new.
Any thoughts on what to do with the mismatched bolt holes? I am wondering whether to just leave it as there is most of the support done by the GB to engine bolts. Or to get a plate welded onto the GB. Or to make a set of small link brackets. Either one requires some machining work.
Hi Simon.
Yeah i guess i should source the correct OM648 oil guard. A bit hard to find, may have to buy new.
Any thoughts on what to do with the mismatched bolt holes? I am wondering whether to just leave it as there is most of the support done by the GB to engine bolts. Or to get a plate welded onto the GB. Or to make a set of small link brackets. Either one requires some machining work.
10-08-2014, 08:43 AM
#71
(10-08-2014, 07:28 AM)ho55 Hi Simon.
Yeah i guess i should source the correct OM648 oil guard. A bit hard to find, may have to buy new.
Any thoughts on what to do with the mismatched bolt holes? I am wondering whether to just leave it as there is most of the support done by the GB to engine bolts. Or to get a plate welded onto the GB. Or to make a set of small link brackets. Either one requires some machining work.
I made my own windage tray to fit around the OM648 oil pump and sump.
![[Image: 100_7639_zps34b27802.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Land%20Rover/100_7639_zps34b27802.jpg)
![[Image: 100_7640_zpsf0e77b4d.jpg]](http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah54/turboderv84/Land%20Rover/100_7640_zpsf0e77b4d.jpg)
For the bellhousing I will be making a steel ring adapter plate because it's going onto a different gearbox, but maybe weld some bosses into the sump to suit, as the bellhousing bolts sit within the sump? I reckon my engine is already flexing the bellhousing by attaching on the upper bolts only.
Also you will need a dipstick, I'm yet to check what the correct oil levels are meant to be then set the dipstick to suit that, or buy a CDI dipstick....
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
10-08-2014, 08:43 AM #71(10-08-2014, 07:28 AM)ho55 Hi Simon.
Yeah i guess i should source the correct OM648 oil guard. A bit hard to find, may have to buy new.
Any thoughts on what to do with the mismatched bolt holes? I am wondering whether to just leave it as there is most of the support done by the GB to engine bolts. Or to get a plate welded onto the GB. Or to make a set of small link brackets. Either one requires some machining work.
I made my own windage tray to fit around the OM648 oil pump and sump.
For the bellhousing I will be making a steel ring adapter plate because it's going onto a different gearbox, but maybe weld some bosses into the sump to suit, as the bellhousing bolts sit within the sump? I reckon my engine is already flexing the bellhousing by attaching on the upper bolts only.
Also you will need a dipstick, I'm yet to check what the correct oil levels are meant to be then set the dipstick to suit that, or buy a CDI dipstick....
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
10-08-2014, 04:44 PM
#73
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
simonm16p6
10-08-2014, 04:44 PM #73I made it until it fitted if you get what I mean, so no, there aren't any drawings or dimensions. It's a snug fit in the sump, with clearance to the crankshaft and rods, that's about all there is to it, with enough space for the oil to drain down out of the way (I hope).
1971 Rover P6 2000 project OM605 compound charged conversion
1975 Land Rover series 3 OM606 project
Thanks for all the pictures and measurements !
i have now bought a w211 320 cdi engine to take the parts from!
Attached Files
Image(s)
12-26-2014, 09:02 AM
#75
I have now started to take apart the om648 and found that i doesn´t have a oilguard?
Hey!
I have now started to take apart the om648 and found that i doesn´t have a oilguard?
Would be an easy task for someone who has EPC.
i dont sorry.
02-04-2015, 08:05 PM
#79
(01-30-2015, 06:30 PM)ho55(01-22-2015, 02:26 AM)MrHope Would be an easy task for someone who has EPC.
i dont sorry.
Anyone? Please.
My OM 648 doesn't have on either. The Om 606 has one to direct the oil forward to the front sump, instead of splashing around in the pan. The natural oil flow would be backwards to the rear sump hence the Om 648 does not have a splash guard. You also have to take in consideration the engine is usually slanted down to the rear making a splash guard even more important to a front sump.
(01-30-2015, 06:30 PM)ho55(01-22-2015, 02:26 AM)MrHope Would be an easy task for someone who has EPC.
i dont sorry.
Anyone? Please.
My OM 648 doesn't have on either. The Om 606 has one to direct the oil forward to the front sump, instead of splashing around in the pan. The natural oil flow would be backwards to the rear sump hence the Om 648 does not have a splash guard. You also have to take in consideration the engine is usually slanted down to the rear making a splash guard even more important to a front sump.
02-04-2015, 09:30 PM
#81
Thank you, good news.
It's probably why i have not been able to find one
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One needs to careful installing one if it didn't come with one. There is a reason Mercedes didn't put one on, the oil needs to return to the sump at a set rate so the pickup isn't starved for oil. Food for thought.
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Thank you, good news.
It's probably why i have not been able to find one
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One needs to careful installing one if it didn't come with one. There is a reason Mercedes didn't put one on, the oil needs to return to the sump at a set rate so the pickup isn't starved for oil. Food for thought.
05-08-2015, 06:15 PM
#83
whipplem104
05-08-2015, 06:15 PM #83No it has a different bolt pattern. The 648 has a larger flywheel. You can section off the back flange of each oil pan and weld the correct one back on.
05-10-2015, 04:07 PM
#84
how about the chain drive for the pump... is the chain the same length? ive heard that there is a difference in length? anoyone know for sure?
10-02-2015, 09:47 AM
#86
By the way, i have found the info on the later level/temp/condition sensor. It outputs a serial format waveform for the values. For my project i will build a uprocessor display to decode this. It will use an arduino. I could share the code when i have it done.
Gravzzy
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07-05-2016, 08:21 PM
#87
I know it's been a while and I'm out of nowhere but I too have a OM606 to put in my truck so I need a rear sump as well. If I'm not wrong, the direct successor of the OM606 is the OM613, and later the OM648. So if the OM606 and the OM648 share the same oil sump and pump bolt pattern, we could expect it shares it with the OM613 as well. The OM613 being a bit older, parts might be cheaper and more available, unless this engine was rare... I'm just asking, none of these engines were available where I live because people by here doesn't like torque and fuel economy... Has anybody any experience with mixing/matching OM613 parts on a OM606?
By the way, if anybody has the stuff to convert my engine to rear sump, PM me, you know m'sayin'
Gravzzy
07-05-2016, 08:21 PM #87Hi everyone,
I know it's been a while and I'm out of nowhere but I too have a OM606 to put in my truck so I need a rear sump as well. If I'm not wrong, the direct successor of the OM606 is the OM613, and later the OM648. So if the OM606 and the OM648 share the same oil sump and pump bolt pattern, we could expect it shares it with the OM613 as well. The OM613 being a bit older, parts might be cheaper and more available, unless this engine was rare... I'm just asking, none of these engines were available where I live because people by here doesn't like torque and fuel economy... Has anybody any experience with mixing/matching OM613 parts on a OM606?
By the way, if anybody has the stuff to convert my engine to rear sump, PM me, you know m'sayin'
07-06-2016, 05:49 AM
#89
This post was last modified: 07-06-2016, 05:59 AM by 50harleyrider.
50harleyrider
07-06-2016, 05:49 AM #89The 3.2 cdi w211 were the only rear sump inline 6 MB diesels as far as I know. I searched far and wide for my OM648 setup. I think most of them are bought up in NA and all the junk yards want to sell complete engines now for $2k and up. I got mine from CARCARMARCO <info@carcarmarco.pl> in Poland. Postagage was high but it was still a decent deal due to the cheap price and favorable exchange rates. Shoot them an email and have them be on the lookout for one. Marek was the guy I dealt with. He's a good guy and packaged the stuff safely for the long trip. Good luck with your swap. What model truck?
07-06-2016, 05:58 AM
#90
(07-06-2016, 05:49 AM)50harleyrider The w211 were the only rear sump inline 6 MB diesels as far as I know. I searched far and wide for my OM648 setup. I think most of them are bought up and all the junk yards want to sell complete engines now for $2k and up. I got mine from CARCARMARCO <info@carcarmarco.pl> in Poland. Postagage was high but it was still a decent deal due to the cheap price and favorable exchange rates. Shoot them an email and have them be on the lookout for one.
I bought a complete OM648 for the sump and oil pump, only cost me I think £260 delivered. Cheaper than buying just the sump or oil pump from Mercedes.
(07-06-2016, 05:49 AM)50harleyrider The w211 were the only rear sump inline 6 MB diesels as far as I know. I searched far and wide for my OM648 setup. I think most of them are bought up and all the junk yards want to sell complete engines now for $2k and up. I got mine from CARCARMARCO <info@carcarmarco.pl> in Poland. Postagage was high but it was still a decent deal due to the cheap price and favorable exchange rates. Shoot them an email and have them be on the lookout for one.
I bought a complete OM648 for the sump and oil pump, only cost me I think £260 delivered. Cheaper than buying just the sump or oil pump from Mercedes.
07-06-2016, 06:02 AM
#91
This post was last modified: 07-06-2016, 06:07 AM by 50harleyrider.
50harleyrider
07-06-2016, 06:02 AM #91That's great. I figure there are some in Europe. Problem is finding them and getting them across the big pond reasonably. If you know any sources that will ship to NA, please share them.
07-06-2016, 06:05 AM
#92
(07-06-2016, 06:02 AM)50harleyrider That's great. I figure there are some in Europe. Problem is finding them and getting them across the big pond reasonably. If you know any sources that will ship to NA, please share them.
Getting hold of them for reasonable money isn't a problem.... its the shipping to the states which is the killer.
(07-06-2016, 06:02 AM)50harleyrider That's great. I figure there are some in Europe. Problem is finding them and getting them across the big pond reasonably. If you know any sources that will ship to NA, please share them.
Getting hold of them for reasonable money isn't a problem.... its the shipping to the states which is the killer.
10-10-2016, 09:48 AM
#94
(10-10-2016, 09:28 AM)matfield Does anyone have a part no. for the crankshaft cap bolts with the internal thread for the rear bowl oil pump?
Should already be in there Matt and not need changing.
I've just been trying to look back through my pictures and can just about make out the bolt heads on the pick up tube bracket, so they're definitely in there. (that and there is no way I'd have just left it flapping in the breeze!)
(10-10-2016, 09:28 AM)matfield Does anyone have a part no. for the crankshaft cap bolts with the internal thread for the rear bowl oil pump?
Should already be in there Matt and not need changing.
I've just been trying to look back through my pictures and can just about make out the bolt heads on the pick up tube bracket, so they're definitely in there. (that and there is no way I'd have just left it flapping in the breeze!)
10-10-2016, 10:59 AM
#95
This post was last modified: 10-10-2016, 11:01 AM by 50harleyrider.
50harleyrider
10-10-2016, 10:59 AM #95Can't speak for the 605 but the 606.962 main bolts are already threaded for the CDI pickup tube support. I can verify you are correct, Ross. I recently put the rear sump on my F150 conversion so it's still fresh in my head. Zeeman should move to the east coast.
10-10-2016, 02:12 PM
#96
So when I pull off my old sump, the cap bolts for the new pump bracket are already threaded...?
I want to be certain before I ring him in the morning and tell him to stop looking.
Thanks again!
Mat
Ok... good news. The local main dealers didn't have a clue what I was talking about, or anyida where to find them, even with engine numbers etc.
So when I pull off my old sump, the cap bolts for the new pump bracket are already threaded...?
I want to be certain before I ring him in the morning and tell him to stop looking.
Thanks again!
Mat
10-10-2016, 02:46 PM
#97
(10-10-2016, 10:59 AM)50harleyrider Can't speak for the 605 but the 606.962 main bolts are already threaded for the CDI pickup tube support. I can verify you are correct, Ross. I recently put the rear sump on my F150 conversion so it's still fresh in my head. Zeeman should move to the east coast.
It is to dam cold on the east coast. Someone was asking what the 648 pump looked like inside. Enclosed are some pics. They have two gear sets, three pickups.
Zeeman
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Image(s)(10-10-2016, 10:59 AM)50harleyrider Can't speak for the 605 but the 606.962 main bolts are already threaded for the CDI pickup tube support. I can verify you are correct, Ross. I recently put the rear sump on my F150 conversion so it's still fresh in my head. Zeeman should move to the east coast.
It is to dam cold on the east coast. Someone was asking what the 648 pump looked like inside. Enclosed are some pics. They have two gear sets, three pickups.
Zeeman
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10-11-2016, 03:37 AM
#98
(10-10-2016, 02:12 PM)matfield Ok... good news. The local main dealers didn't have a clue what I was talking about, or anyida where to find them, even with engine numbers etc.
So when I pull off my old sump, the cap bolts for the new pump bracket are already threaded...?
I want to be certain before I ring him in the morning and tell him to stop looking.
Thanks again!
Mat
Harleyrider has confirmed my memory that they will already be threaded.
(10-10-2016, 02:12 PM)matfield Ok... good news. The local main dealers didn't have a clue what I was talking about, or anyida where to find them, even with engine numbers etc.
So when I pull off my old sump, the cap bolts for the new pump bracket are already threaded...?
I want to be certain before I ring him in the morning and tell him to stop looking.
Thanks again!
Mat
Harleyrider has confirmed my memory that they will already be threaded.
10-14-2016, 02:04 PM
#100
(10-10-2016, 10:59 AM)P50harleyrider Can't speak for the 605 but the 606.962 main bolts are already threaded for the CDI pickup tube support. I can verify you are correct, Ross. I recently put the rear sump on my F150 conversion so it's still fresh in my head. Zeeman should move to the east coast.
Did you use the drive chain from the 606 or the 320cdi? Are they the same length?
(10-10-2016, 10:59 AM)P50harleyrider Can't speak for the 605 but the 606.962 main bolts are already threaded for the CDI pickup tube support. I can verify you are correct, Ross. I recently put the rear sump on my F150 conversion so it's still fresh in my head. Zeeman should move to the east coast.
Did you use the drive chain from the 606 or the 320cdi? Are they the same length?
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