Maximum flow rate for 606 with 6mm elements?
Maximum flow rate for 606 with 6mm elements?
that is a strange question!!!
Usually the system comes with several relief pressure systems, at stock filter u have a special orifice for that dampens pressure in the return line, the pump itself has a banjo bolt with a relief pressure set at .6 BAR.
but a stock 606 usually has a max injection of 65cubic centimeters at 1000 strokes, so u can make the maths, account for 30% more flow to keep positive pressure in the system
regards
(09-15-2015, 01:09 PM)barrote that is a strange question!!!
Usually the system comes with several relief pressure systems, at stock filter u have a special orifice for that dampens pressure in the return line, the pump itself has a banjo bolt with a relief pressure set at .6 BAR.
but a stock 606 usually has a max injection of 65cubic centimeters at 1000 strokes, so u can make the maths, account for 30% more flow to keep positive pressure in the system
regards
(09-15-2015, 01:09 PM)barrote that is a strange question!!!
Usually the system comes with several relief pressure systems, at stock filter u have a special orifice for that dampens pressure in the return line, the pump itself has a banjo bolt with a relief pressure set at .6 BAR.
but a stock 606 usually has a max injection of 65cubic centimeters at 1000 strokes, so u can make the maths, account for 30% more flow to keep positive pressure in the system
regards
(09-15-2015, 02:59 PM)m1tch I believe the 6mm OM606 pump flows 90cc - guessing this is per minute? Tuned pumps flow 120-160cc.
(09-15-2015, 02:59 PM)m1tch I believe the 6mm OM606 pump flows 90cc - guessing this is per minute? Tuned pumps flow 120-160cc.
(09-15-2015, 02:59 PM)m1tch I believe the 6mm OM606 pump flows 90cc - guessing this is per minute? Tuned pumps flow 120-160cc.
(09-15-2015, 02:59 PM)m1tch I believe the 6mm OM606 pump flows 90cc - guessing this is per minute? Tuned pumps flow 120-160cc.
(09-15-2015, 03:21 PM)barrote(09-15-2015, 02:59 PM)m1tch I believe the 6mm OM606 pump flows 90cc - guessing this is per minute? Tuned pumps flow 120-160cc.
only in dreams
stock fuel is 65cc, tuned u may be able to have 100cc , if u can open the complete rack......
every 720 degres 2 revolutions all cylinders have one injection (stroke) in one minute at 1000 rpm u have 500 strokes times 5 cylinder times 65cc , max fueling.
something like that , anyway for a fuel filter is a lot of math , buy one with 20cm long and 15cm diameter, it will be good enough.
(09-15-2015, 03:21 PM)barrote(09-15-2015, 02:59 PM)m1tch I believe the 6mm OM606 pump flows 90cc - guessing this is per minute? Tuned pumps flow 120-160cc.
only in dreams
stock fuel is 65cc, tuned u may be able to have 100cc , if u can open the complete rack......
every 720 degres 2 revolutions all cylinders have one injection (stroke) in one minute at 1000 rpm u have 500 strokes times 5 cylinder times 65cc , max fueling.
something like that , anyway for a fuel filter is a lot of math , buy one with 20cm long and 15cm diameter, it will be good enough.
(09-16-2015, 05:23 AM)Hario If its 100cc/min MAX that's 6000cc/hr = 6L/hr.
If you gona get 150cc MAX super pump that's 9L/hr.
Where is the complication?
(09-16-2015, 06:15 AM)zenins(09-16-2015, 05:23 AM)Hario If its 100cc/min MAX that's 6000cc/hr = 6L/hr.
If you gona get 150cc MAX super pump that's 9L/hr.
Where is the complication?
I don't think that it's correct... You're saying that with 6mm elements, if you're going at full throttle it will consume 6 liters per hour..?
(09-16-2015, 06:15 AM)zenins(09-16-2015, 05:23 AM)Hario If its 100cc/min MAX that's 6000cc/hr = 6L/hr.
If you gona get 150cc MAX super pump that's 9L/hr.
Where is the complication?
I don't think that it's correct... You're saying that with 6mm elements, if you're going at full throttle it will consume 6 liters per hour..?
(09-16-2015, 06:34 AM)Hario(09-16-2015, 06:15 AM)zenins(09-16-2015, 05:23 AM)Hario If its 100cc/min MAX that's 6000cc/hr = 6L/hr.
If you gona get 150cc MAX super pump that's 9L/hr.
Where is the complication?
I don't think that it's correct... You're saying that with 6mm elements, if you're going at full throttle it will consume 6 liters per hour..?
Yes. That is less than 2 gallons, think how far you would travel at full throttle for 1 hour. Not bad MPG really..
Also fuelling equipment is always sized for max flow situation, you wouldn't size a fuel pump to deliver the fuel requirement of your engine at half throttle would you?
(09-16-2015, 06:34 AM)Hario(09-16-2015, 06:15 AM)zenins(09-16-2015, 05:23 AM)Hario If its 100cc/min MAX that's 6000cc/hr = 6L/hr.
If you gona get 150cc MAX super pump that's 9L/hr.
Where is the complication?
I don't think that it's correct... You're saying that with 6mm elements, if you're going at full throttle it will consume 6 liters per hour..?
Yes. That is less than 2 gallons, think how far you would travel at full throttle for 1 hour. Not bad MPG really..
Also fuelling equipment is always sized for max flow situation, you wouldn't size a fuel pump to deliver the fuel requirement of your engine at half throttle would you?
(09-16-2015, 08:39 AM)zenins(09-16-2015, 06:34 AM)Hario(09-16-2015, 06:15 AM)zenins I don't think that it's correct... You're saying that with 6mm elements, if you're going at full throttle it will consume 6 liters per hour..?
Yes. That is less than 2 gallons, think how far you would travel at full throttle for 1 hour. Not bad MPG really..
Also fuelling equipment is always sized for max flow situation, you wouldn't size a fuel pump to deliver the fuel requirement of your engine at half throttle would you?
I don't know if it's measured ccm/min but if so than it should be something like this - 100ccm/min * 60(min.) * 6(element count) ~ 36l/h (max fueling at full load)
(09-16-2015, 08:39 AM)zenins(09-16-2015, 06:34 AM)Hario(09-16-2015, 06:15 AM)zenins I don't think that it's correct... You're saying that with 6mm elements, if you're going at full throttle it will consume 6 liters per hour..?
Yes. That is less than 2 gallons, think how far you would travel at full throttle for 1 hour. Not bad MPG really..
Also fuelling equipment is always sized for max flow situation, you wouldn't size a fuel pump to deliver the fuel requirement of your engine at half throttle would you?
I don't know if it's measured ccm/min but if so than it should be something like this - 100ccm/min * 60(min.) * 6(element count) ~ 36l/h (max fueling at full load)
no mitch , what is fisically imposible is a 6mm element , deliver 150cc!!! what what do i know abou that!!!
6 liters in one hour , no either, the required flow have to be at least 3 times that, my 605 burns 10 liters every 100km so at 200km hour burns 15lts/100km so .... in one hour 30lts i dont know about yours....
usually cc is by element , each element is checked individually!!!
BTW mitch who sold u a 6mm 150cc pump ? was dieselmeken?
Like this 6mm pump at 150cc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXY6fYnmBU
And 8mm EDC pump running 140cc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0RZjbSbRvU
well fist of all , u got to know of what u´re watching,
idle problem he was talking about , renders the pump unable to run in a day driver. i can do the same.
the delivery valves he mention , well ... i wonder wich type of test injector was he using, i never tryed with a 100bar one but i had tried with 200bar, and i had tryed many other things i can´t write here.
i belive the man in the vídeo, sometimes i make business with him as far as for me he is a honest man!!
what i was trying to say is that u wont be able to run a EDC 6mm pump with 150cc in your day driver, he showed u a 5cyl m pump with mech governor with rack at 21mm wich is nothing , what i would like to know is wich element is (part number) wich DV is wich cam shaft is, wich dv holder is, wich test injector was, those things u can´t see, wich all afect the injection quantity!!! and quality!!!
regards mitch , and buy one of those! if u can´t i make one for u , cheaper but with less fuel like 110cc.
Dieselmeken pumps gives fuel from 120 to 300 cc depending on what you ordered.
Im pretty sure its 120 cc pr 1000 strokes at the dieselpump and that is rotating half of engine speed( 2000rpm)
(09-16-2015, 01:47 PM)barrote well fist of all , u got to know of what u´re watching,
idle problem he was talking about , renders the pump unable to run in a day driver. i can do the same.
the delivery valves he mention , well ... i wonder wich type of test injector was he using, i never tryed with a 100bar one but i had tried with 200bar, and i had tryed many other things i can´t write here.
i belive the man in the vídeo, sometimes i make business with him as far as for me he is a honest man!!
what i was trying to say is that u wont be able to run a EDC 6mm pump with 150cc in your day driver, he showed u a 5cyl m pump with mech governor with rack at 21mm wich is nothing , what i would like to know is wich element is (part number) wich DV is wich cam shaft is, wich dv holder is, wich test injector was, those things u can´t see, wich all afect the injection quantity!!! and quality!!!
regards mitch , and buy one of those! if u can´t i make one for u , cheaper but with less fuel like 110cc.
(09-16-2015, 01:47 PM)barrote well fist of all , u got to know of what u´re watching,
idle problem he was talking about , renders the pump unable to run in a day driver. i can do the same.
the delivery valves he mention , well ... i wonder wich type of test injector was he using, i never tryed with a 100bar one but i had tried with 200bar, and i had tryed many other things i can´t write here.
i belive the man in the vídeo, sometimes i make business with him as far as for me he is a honest man!!
what i was trying to say is that u wont be able to run a EDC 6mm pump with 150cc in your day driver, he showed u a 5cyl m pump with mech governor with rack at 21mm wich is nothing , what i would like to know is wich element is (part number) wich DV is wich cam shaft is, wich dv holder is, wich test injector was, those things u can´t see, wich all afect the injection quantity!!! and quality!!!
regards mitch , and buy one of those! if u can´t i make one for u , cheaper but with less fuel like 110cc.
(09-16-2015, 02:45 PM)m1tchpeace!!! man, peace!!!(09-16-2015, 01:47 PM)barrote well fist of all , u got to know of what u´re watching,
idle problem he was talking about , renders the pump unable to run in a day driver. i can do the same.
the delivery valves he mention , well ... i wonder wich type of test injector was he using, i never tryed with a 100bar one but i had tried with 200bar, and i had tryed many other things i can´t write here.
i belive the man in the vídeo, sometimes i make business with him as far as for me he is a honest man!!
what i was trying to say is that u wont be able to run a EDC 6mm pump with 150cc in your day driver, he showed u a 5cyl m pump with mech governor with rack at 21mm wich is nothing , what i would like to know is wich element is (part number) wich DV is wich cam shaft is, wich dv holder is, wich test injector was, those things u can´t see, wich all afect the injection quantity!!! and quality!!!
regards mitch , and buy one of those! if u can´t i make one for u , cheaper but with less fuel like 110cc.
You have pretty much argued with me since my first ever post, please don't reply to anything I post up, I am researching everything I can from other members/suppliers - I am not going to be doing down the usual route, will just be listening to anyone else apart from yourself, everyone else has been really helpful so far on this forum.
(09-16-2015, 02:45 PM)m1tchpeace!!! man, peace!!!(09-16-2015, 01:47 PM)barrote well fist of all , u got to know of what u´re watching,
idle problem he was talking about , renders the pump unable to run in a day driver. i can do the same.
the delivery valves he mention , well ... i wonder wich type of test injector was he using, i never tryed with a 100bar one but i had tried with 200bar, and i had tryed many other things i can´t write here.
i belive the man in the vídeo, sometimes i make business with him as far as for me he is a honest man!!
what i was trying to say is that u wont be able to run a EDC 6mm pump with 150cc in your day driver, he showed u a 5cyl m pump with mech governor with rack at 21mm wich is nothing , what i would like to know is wich element is (part number) wich DV is wich cam shaft is, wich dv holder is, wich test injector was, those things u can´t see, wich all afect the injection quantity!!! and quality!!!
regards mitch , and buy one of those! if u can´t i make one for u , cheaper but with less fuel like 110cc.
You have pretty much argued with me since my first ever post, please don't reply to anything I post up, I am researching everything I can from other members/suppliers - I am not going to be doing down the usual route, will just be listening to anyone else apart from yourself, everyone else has been really helpful so far on this forum.
(09-16-2015, 03:16 PM)baldur Yes the measure is in cc per 1000 injections per cylinder, or quite simply, µl per injection event.
(09-16-2015, 03:16 PM)baldur Yes the measure is in cc per 1000 injections per cylinder, or quite simply, µl per injection event.
ok , every 720º the engine has 6 fueling events !!! four stroke at each cylinder, intake , compression, combustion, exaust.
100cc each 1000 strokes times 6 cylinder.
6000 RPM is about 3000 injection events times 6, (each cylinder has one event every 720º)
3000times 6 times 100cc times 60 minutes give flow rate by hour.
usually people use 250lts/ hour fuel pumps and filters. with a 200lts hour a superpump does not work well.
regards.
(09-17-2015, 03:34 AM)barrote ok , every 720º the engine has 6 fueling events !!! four stroke at each cylinder, intake , compression, combustion, exaust.
100cc each 1000 strokes times 6 cylinder.
6000 RPM is about 3000 injection events times 6, (each cylinder has one event every 720º)
3000times 6 times 100cc times 60 minutes give flow rate by hour.
usually people use 250lts/ hour fuel pumps and filters. with a 200lts hour a superpump does not work well.
regards.
(09-17-2015, 03:34 AM)barrote ok , every 720º the engine has 6 fueling events !!! four stroke at each cylinder, intake , compression, combustion, exaust.
100cc each 1000 strokes times 6 cylinder.
6000 RPM is about 3000 injection events times 6, (each cylinder has one event every 720º)
3000times 6 times 100cc times 60 minutes give flow rate by hour.
usually people use 250lts/ hour fuel pumps and filters. with a 200lts hour a superpump does not work well.
regards.
(09-17-2015, 11:56 AM)baldur To make these calculations easier: http://www.foo.is/calc/dieselpower.html
(09-17-2015, 11:56 AM)baldur To make these calculations easier: http://www.foo.is/calc/dieselpower.html
Forget the four stroke thing.
Example: 120 cc is at 1000 diesel shots, and that is 2000rpm on the engine for each cylinder.
I dont know what the fuel amount is at lower or higher rpm.
Cant you ask Gøran direct ?
He answere all people that ask whatevery question,,,,
(09-17-2015, 11:56 AM)baldur To make these calculations easier: http://www.foo.is/calc/dieselpower.html
(09-17-2015, 11:56 AM)baldur To make these calculations easier: http://www.foo.is/calc/dieselpower.html
(09-15-2015, 12:13 PM)Grecy Hi All,
I'm getting a Racor diesel filter/ water separator for my OM606 with 6mm elements.
I need to know, what is the maximum diesel flow rate for that setup, in liters or gallons per hour ?
Thanks,
-Dan
(09-15-2015, 12:13 PM)Grecy Hi All,
I'm getting a Racor diesel filter/ water separator for my OM606 with 6mm elements.
I need to know, what is the maximum diesel flow rate for that setup, in liters or gallons per hour ?
Thanks,
-Dan