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Mognut
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11-10-2015, 04:07 PM #1
Hello peeps
This is my first post I have a Unimog I've been playing with for many years I've moved the front axle forward by 350 mm to improve stability when off-roadies. it's a u600421 fitted with an om 616 that I fitted years ago I'd like a little more power and a sump mounted to the rear for clearance to the axle.
I really don't want to go bigger due to the weight over the front as Unimog have a bad habit of lifting the rear axle when going down steep banks.
Basically I'm asking if there is a four cylinder with a rear sump that has the same bell housing patern as the OM 616.
Many thanks for your help
Mognut
Mognut
11-10-2015, 04:07 PM #1

Hello peeps
This is my first post I have a Unimog I've been playing with for many years I've moved the front axle forward by 350 mm to improve stability when off-roadies. it's a u600421 fitted with an om 616 that I fitted years ago I'd like a little more power and a sump mounted to the rear for clearance to the axle.
I really don't want to go bigger due to the weight over the front as Unimog have a bad habit of lifting the rear axle when going down steep banks.
Basically I'm asking if there is a four cylinder with a rear sump that has the same bell housing patern as the OM 616.
Many thanks for your help
Mognut

CRD4x4
CompoundSuperTurboDiesel4x4!

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11-11-2015, 08:12 AM #2
A rear sump 4 cylinder?
I might be bias, but I'd recommend a VM Motori 2.8L 16v for your Unimog for the following reasons;
1) it'll weigh about the same as your current OM616 (485 lbs for 2.8L)
2) has rear sump already so no mods to oil pan, pump/sump
3) it's turbocharged with a modern variable geometry turbo from Garrett making 100 HP more than your OM616 in stock form and can take a chip tuning for much, much more.
4) opens up a few more options for heavy duty transmissons

Cons?
1) costly
2) doesn't have the proven history of OM motors (it's a new comer with limited use)
3) electronics
4) probably won't bolt up to your trans but maybe it will. Who knows?

I hope this helps!
This post was last modified: 11-11-2015, 08:14 AM by CRD4x4.

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CRD4x4
11-11-2015, 08:12 AM #2

A rear sump 4 cylinder?
I might be bias, but I'd recommend a VM Motori 2.8L 16v for your Unimog for the following reasons;
1) it'll weigh about the same as your current OM616 (485 lbs for 2.8L)
2) has rear sump already so no mods to oil pan, pump/sump
3) it's turbocharged with a modern variable geometry turbo from Garrett making 100 HP more than your OM616 in stock form and can take a chip tuning for much, much more.
4) opens up a few more options for heavy duty transmissons

Cons?
1) costly
2) doesn't have the proven history of OM motors (it's a new comer with limited use)
3) electronics
4) probably won't bolt up to your trans but maybe it will. Who knows?

I hope this helps!


'05 Jeep Liberty CRD - 160k
'06.5 VW Jetta TDI - 230k
'82 MB 300TD - 116k (motor going to raysorenson)
'81 MB 300TD - 195k (parting out)
'71 Jeep DJ5 - diesel conversion project

Mognut
Naturally-aspirated

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11-11-2015, 04:18 PM #3
Thanks for that I'll google for images,I'm also considering a petrol ! What is it with Mercedes and font mounted sumps ?
Thank you for your reply
Mognut
11-11-2015, 04:18 PM #3

Thanks for that I'll google for images,I'm also considering a petrol ! What is it with Mercedes and font mounted sumps ?
Thank you for your reply

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

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11-11-2015, 05:49 PM #4
I want a unimog! Too bad they are hard to find in the states and very expensive Sad

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MFSuper90
11-11-2015, 05:49 PM #4

I want a unimog! Too bad they are hard to find in the states and very expensive Sad


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

EmJay
Holset

299
11-11-2015, 07:42 PM #5
If you decide to go petrol, go with a Chevy 4.3? Not too heavy, and I'm sure an adapter exists on the market.

1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase**  Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans Smile
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
EmJay
11-11-2015, 07:42 PM #5

If you decide to go petrol, go with a Chevy 4.3? Not too heavy, and I'm sure an adapter exists on the market.


1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase**  Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans Smile
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now

Matej
GT2256V

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11-11-2015, 09:44 PM #6
You could possibly use an OM602 and put the rear-sump pan from an OM647 on it.
This post was last modified: 11-11-2015, 09:44 PM by Matej.

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Matej
11-11-2015, 09:44 PM #6

You could possibly use an OM602 and put the rear-sump pan from an OM647 on it.


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Mognut
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11-12-2015, 01:46 PM #7
(11-11-2015, 05:49 PM)MFSuper90 I want a unimog! Too bad they are hard to find in the states and very expensive Sad

Check out Unimog.club you can buy and import before 1972 I think ? Also check out mobile.de there is a English language section ?
Mognut
11-12-2015, 01:46 PM #7

(11-11-2015, 05:49 PM)MFSuper90 I want a unimog! Too bad they are hard to find in the states and very expensive Sad

Check out Unimog.club you can buy and import before 1972 I think ? Also check out mobile.de there is a English language section ?

Mognut
Naturally-aspirated

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11-12-2015, 01:50 PM #8
(11-11-2015, 07:42 PM)EmJay If you decide to go petrol, go with a Chevy 4.3?  Not too heavy, and I'm sure an adapter exists on the market.

That would be nice but there a bit thin on the ground in the UK, I'll see if I can find a conversion kit online, is it the same block as a 5.7 small block ?
Mognut
11-12-2015, 01:50 PM #8

(11-11-2015, 07:42 PM)EmJay If you decide to go petrol, go with a Chevy 4.3?  Not too heavy, and I'm sure an adapter exists on the market.

That would be nice but there a bit thin on the ground in the UK, I'll see if I can find a conversion kit online, is it the same block as a 5.7 small block ?

Mognut
Naturally-aspirated

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11-12-2015, 02:03 PM #9
(11-11-2015, 09:44 PM)Matej You could possibly use an OM602 and put the rear-sump pan from an OM647 on it.

I've got a 2004 sprinter 311 that's coming to the end of its life although the engines ok, what engine is that and would it fit plus I think the sump is at the front and there's the electrical side to deal with !
Options options?
Mognut
11-12-2015, 02:03 PM #9

(11-11-2015, 09:44 PM)Matej You could possibly use an OM602 and put the rear-sump pan from an OM647 on it.

I've got a 2004 sprinter 311 that's coming to the end of its life although the engines ok, what engine is that and would it fit plus I think the sump is at the front and there's the electrical side to deal with !
Options options?

EmJay
Holset

299
11-18-2015, 08:28 PM #10
(11-12-2015, 01:50 PM)Mognut
(11-11-2015, 07:42 PM)EmJay If you decide to go petrol, go with a Chevy 4.3?  Not too heavy, and I'm sure an adapter exists on the market.

That would be nice but there a bit thin on the ground in the UK, I'll see if I can find a conversion kit online, is it the same block as a 5.7 small block ?

Bascally a 5.7 with the rear 2 cylinders missing.  They are cheap, dime a dozen here.  Carb, TBI, and Vortec setups exist.

1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase**  Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans Smile
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now
EmJay
11-18-2015, 08:28 PM #10

(11-12-2015, 01:50 PM)Mognut
(11-11-2015, 07:42 PM)EmJay If you decide to go petrol, go with a Chevy 4.3?  Not too heavy, and I'm sure an adapter exists on the market.

That would be nice but there a bit thin on the ground in the UK, I'll see if I can find a conversion kit online, is it the same block as a 5.7 small block ?

Bascally a 5.7 with the rear 2 cylinders missing.  They are cheap, dime a dozen here.  Carb, TBI, and Vortec setups exist.


1987 Mazda B2200 "outlaw" **planning phase**  Chevy 283, Power Pack heads, Edelbrock carb and intake, turbo 350 trans Smile
1985 Mercedes 300D stock for now

 
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