getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!!
getrag 717.404 in w124 300d turbo HELP!!!
i will use 717.404 gearbox from a w201 2.3 16v single fly well...
can i use the rest of the parts from a w124 CE300 24v with getrag whith dual fly well? like selector,clutch and brake pedal ,drive shaft,etc...
what is the max nm for 717.404?
thanks for help
PedroFerreira
12-02-2015, 03:08 PM #1hello,next mounth i il start the conversion from automatic to manual in my w124 300d turbo.
i will use 717.404 gearbox from a w201 2.3 16v single fly well...
can i use the rest of the parts from a w124 CE300 24v with getrag whith dual fly well? like selector,clutch and brake pedal ,drive shaft,etc...
what is the max nm for 717.404?
thanks for help
Drive shaft for a manual box is also longer in the front half. The rear half and center bearing are the same. Clutch and brake pedal unit is a straight swop for the auto one. The clutch fluid is fed from the rear half of the brake cyl reservoir but it is better imho to provide a separate fluid reservoir.
You also need the manual gearbox rear crossmember.
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Is the gearbox you intend using the dog-leg Getrag box? The changer turret for the 'normal' gearbox won't work with a dog-leg box and vice versa. This is because reverse and first/fifth gear are in different positions on each box.
Drive shaft for a manual box is also longer in the front half. The rear half and center bearing are the same. Clutch and brake pedal unit is a straight swop for the auto one. The clutch fluid is fed from the rear half of the brake cyl reservoir but it is better imho to provide a separate fluid reservoir.
You also need the manual gearbox rear crossmember.
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Flywheel and clutch must be from 16v. 24v dual mass Flywheel will not fit with 717.404 box.
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im think about to use :
-getrag dog leg from 190E 2.3 16v
-flywel from om603 n/a
-shift selector,drive shaft (wil be to short?),brake and clutch pedals and gearbox rear crossmember from a w124 CE 300-24V with getrag dog leg
the parts from CE work with gearbox from 190E?
PedroFerreira
12-03-2015, 11:03 AM #4yes im talking about dog leg geabox....
im think about to use :
-getrag dog leg from 190E 2.3 16v
-flywel from om603 n/a
-shift selector,drive shaft (wil be to short?),brake and clutch pedals and gearbox rear crossmember from a w124 CE 300-24V with getrag dog leg
the parts from CE work with gearbox from 190E?
(12-03-2015, 11:03 AM)PedroFerreira yes im talking about dog leg geabox....
im think about to use :
-getrag dog leg from 190E 2.3 16v
-flywel from om603 n/a
-shift selector,drive shaft (wil be to short?),brake and clutch pedals and gearbox rear crossmember from a w124 CE 300-24V with getrag dog leg
the parts from CE work with gearbox from 190E?
The 190e box is a 717.404 which has the long input shaft and should be fine with the SM flywheel but not the DM.
The 124 box is a 717.450 which has a short input and needs the DM flywheel although whether they use the same casing and gearchange turret or not I don't know for certain but probably. If you have the manual driveshaft it should fit. It's the auto one that shorter.
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(12-03-2015, 11:03 AM)PedroFerreira yes im talking about dog leg geabox....
im think about to use :
-getrag dog leg from 190E 2.3 16v
-flywel from om603 n/a
-shift selector,drive shaft (wil be to short?),brake and clutch pedals and gearbox rear crossmember from a w124 CE 300-24V with getrag dog leg
the parts from CE work with gearbox from 190E?
The 190e box is a 717.404 which has the long input shaft and should be fine with the SM flywheel but not the DM.
The 124 box is a 717.450 which has a short input and needs the DM flywheel although whether they use the same casing and gearchange turret or not I don't know for certain but probably. If you have the manual driveshaft it should fit. It's the auto one that shorter.
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PedroFerreira
12-24-2015, 10:35 AM #8yes but i whant to go to 300hp..230mm is ok whith reinforced clutch?
PedroFerreira
12-25-2015, 08:08 AM #10and that is single mass? what years from 300E had single mass flywheel?
PedroFerreira
01-04-2016, 03:12 PM #14what drive shaft can i use on that gearbox? from 300d whith manual gearbox will work?
(01-05-2016, 02:14 PM)uli124125 why use the expensive and not for high torque made 16 tranny?
if you use the 717.450 you can use the Spinter single mass set and you have a tranny that works better and which you can fix again if it is broken
as far as i know its the oposite way around, aqcuantances that broke three 717.450 with 350hp something, (unknown torque) but not heaploads anyhow, while people beat the 717.404 a lot harder. A LOT
what makes the 717.450 more easy to fix btw? availability in parts?
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
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swampmonkey
01-11-2016, 10:44 AM #16(01-05-2016, 02:14 PM)uli124125 why use the expensive and not for high torque made 16 tranny?
if you use the 717.450 you can use the Spinter single mass set and you have a tranny that works better and which you can fix again if it is broken
as far as i know its the oposite way around, aqcuantances that broke three 717.450 with 350hp something, (unknown torque) but not heaploads anyhow, while people beat the 717.404 a lot harder. A LOT
what makes the 717.450 more easy to fix btw? availability in parts?
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
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