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DIY Turbo manifold.

DIY Turbo manifold.

 
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winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
02-28-2018, 02:02 PM #1
I've talked myself into learning welding, buying a MIG setup and building my own manifold. I plan on using schedule 40 piping as it's relatively easy to work with, but am unsure about the size. The om606 head port measures something like 2 1/2" x 1 1/8". I was thinking about 1 1/2" pipe but that seems monstrous and could potentially decrease exit velocity where 1 1/4" would be closer to that smaller head port dimension.


All of the references I could find were in MM and none seem to match up with schedule 40 metric charts.

Thoughts? I'd like to start working on the collector as that seems like something that will take time. I found trupply.com has great pricing on mild steel els but want to knock out the collector first to start setting up for mock/fitment.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
02-28-2018, 02:02 PM #1

I've talked myself into learning welding, buying a MIG setup and building my own manifold. I plan on using schedule 40 piping as it's relatively easy to work with, but am unsure about the size. The om606 head port measures something like 2 1/2" x 1 1/8". I was thinking about 1 1/2" pipe but that seems monstrous and could potentially decrease exit velocity where 1 1/4" would be closer to that smaller head port dimension.


All of the references I could find were in MM and none seem to match up with schedule 40 metric charts.

Thoughts? I'd like to start working on the collector as that seems like something that will take time. I found trupply.com has great pricing on mild steel els but want to knock out the collector first to start setting up for mock/fitment.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

atypicalguy
Holset

555
03-01-2018, 10:31 PM #2
(02-28-2018, 02:02 PM)winmutt All of the references I could find were in MM and none seem to match up with schedule 40 metric charts.

Thoughts? I'd like to start working on the collector as that seems like something that will take time. I found trupply.com has great pricing on mild steel els but want to knock out the collector first to start setting up for mock/fitment.

A collector is pretty ambitious for someone starting out, and it would almost always be done with TIG.

I would suggest you purchase a collector from columbia mandrel bending or similar, and focus your fabrication on the rest of it. But actually I would just buy a bunch of scraps of the material you want to use, and practice welding them together before you start even working on the manifold, so you end up with something you like instead of something you want to throw away. You will probably need a band saw, unless you are good with CAD and can have it cut and bent with a cnc laser or something.

Have Fun and post some photos. You will need to think carefully through the welding sequence to ensure access to all the welds as it goes together.
atypicalguy
03-01-2018, 10:31 PM #2

(02-28-2018, 02:02 PM)winmutt All of the references I could find were in MM and none seem to match up with schedule 40 metric charts.

Thoughts? I'd like to start working on the collector as that seems like something that will take time. I found trupply.com has great pricing on mild steel els but want to knock out the collector first to start setting up for mock/fitment.

A collector is pretty ambitious for someone starting out, and it would almost always be done with TIG.

I would suggest you purchase a collector from columbia mandrel bending or similar, and focus your fabrication on the rest of it. But actually I would just buy a bunch of scraps of the material you want to use, and practice welding them together before you start even working on the manifold, so you end up with something you like instead of something you want to throw away. You will probably need a band saw, unless you are good with CAD and can have it cut and bent with a cnc laser or something.

Have Fun and post some photos. You will need to think carefully through the welding sequence to ensure access to all the welds as it goes together.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
03-02-2018, 02:52 PM #3
Thanks. I am using this guy as my inspiration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzM3ZxxQYE and he is using 1.5" schedule 40.I'm unable to find any 6->1 collectors in mild steel.

I pulled a 603 gasket out of the mess and it is 1.5" NPS, so 1.25" would be a downsizing. The 606 exhaust outlet is a wierd 73mm X 28mm oval or 174mm circumference which equates to ~ 2.18". 2" doesn't sound like a lot but once I got it in my hand at the home depot it seemed monstrous. I can't seem to find mild steel elbows in 1.75"  or something else between 1.5" vs 2".

Scraps are hard to come by but schedule 40 pipe is pretty cheap.

Another challenge I have is the flared oval. I'm not sure your average tail pipe expander is going to be able to take a 1.5" schedule 40 thickness and expand it to 2". I have a shop near by with a huge hydraulic pipe expander and I'm not even sure thats up to the task. I thought about getting a conical die on a press and doing it that way. I've seen where people have cut the schedule 40 pipe and inserted a wedge along the but but that seems less than graceful. I've found buttwelds but I am pretty sure they are cast and I am not sure how they would respond to getting ovaled out (assume they would crack).

I've found trupply.com to have the best pricing and options on mild el's.
This post was last modified: 03-02-2018, 02:59 PM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
03-02-2018, 02:52 PM #3

Thanks. I am using this guy as my inspiration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzM3ZxxQYE and he is using 1.5" schedule 40.I'm unable to find any 6->1 collectors in mild steel.

I pulled a 603 gasket out of the mess and it is 1.5" NPS, so 1.25" would be a downsizing. The 606 exhaust outlet is a wierd 73mm X 28mm oval or 174mm circumference which equates to ~ 2.18". 2" doesn't sound like a lot but once I got it in my hand at the home depot it seemed monstrous. I can't seem to find mild steel elbows in 1.75"  or something else between 1.5" vs 2".

Scraps are hard to come by but schedule 40 pipe is pretty cheap.

Another challenge I have is the flared oval. I'm not sure your average tail pipe expander is going to be able to take a 1.5" schedule 40 thickness and expand it to 2". I have a shop near by with a huge hydraulic pipe expander and I'm not even sure thats up to the task. I thought about getting a conical die on a press and doing it that way. I've seen where people have cut the schedule 40 pipe and inserted a wedge along the but but that seems less than graceful. I've found buttwelds but I am pretty sure they are cast and I am not sure how they would respond to getting ovaled out (assume they would crack).

I've found trupply.com to have the best pricing and options on mild el's.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Bigpanda16
K26-2

26
03-04-2018, 09:52 AM #4
Have you sourced your manifold flange yet?
2" seems to be what they "oval up" to weld to the flange. Some flanges have the oval to round transition machined into them, so you don't have to worry about the cone fabrication.
There was a thread on here a while back with a video of a guy who was knocking up and machining these cones and offered them up for sale. Would have to check my pm's for his username...
If you have a 606.962 factory turbo manifold, I'd be down to trade my 1/2" laser cut/ water jet/ flange for it.

78 300D, 87 190D, 94 E320, 95 E300D
Bigpanda16
03-04-2018, 09:52 AM #4

Have you sourced your manifold flange yet?
2" seems to be what they "oval up" to weld to the flange. Some flanges have the oval to round transition machined into them, so you don't have to worry about the cone fabrication.
There was a thread on here a while back with a video of a guy who was knocking up and machining these cones and offered them up for sale. Would have to check my pm's for his username...
If you have a 606.962 factory turbo manifold, I'd be down to trade my 1/2" laser cut/ water jet/ flange for it.


78 300D, 87 190D, 94 E320, 95 E300D

Bigpanda16
K26-2

26
03-04-2018, 09:54 AM #5
Simpler=Better was the guy, same one I got my flange from

78 300D, 87 190D, 94 E320, 95 E300D
Bigpanda16
03-04-2018, 09:54 AM #5

Simpler=Better was the guy, same one I got my flange from


78 300D, 87 190D, 94 E320, 95 E300D

atypicalguy
Holset

555
03-04-2018, 01:01 PM #6
(03-04-2018, 09:54 AM)Bigpanda16 Simpler=Better was the guy, same one I got my flange from


To get the transition milled into the flange, I think they use 1" material. F-tune and others, maybe dieselpumpuk also but they probably just buy them from ftune or kkd and mark them up.

Sched 40 certainly seems like overkill. I would think you could find some tubing for that. 

Look at BMW manifolds for 6:1 merge collectors. There are dudes all over instagram that do them.

Here is one that is tacked together for a T4: http://www.jegs.com/i/Vibrant-Performanc...FMQAvD_BwE
atypicalguy
03-04-2018, 01:01 PM #6

(03-04-2018, 09:54 AM)Bigpanda16 Simpler=Better was the guy, same one I got my flange from


To get the transition milled into the flange, I think they use 1" material. F-tune and others, maybe dieselpumpuk also but they probably just buy them from ftune or kkd and mark them up.

Sched 40 certainly seems like overkill. I would think you could find some tubing for that. 

Look at BMW manifolds for 6:1 merge collectors. There are dudes all over instagram that do them.

Here is one that is tacked together for a T4: http://www.jegs.com/i/Vibrant-Performanc...FMQAvD_BwE

Turbo
Holset

489
03-04-2018, 03:15 PM #7
What turbo you going to use? VNT, single or twin scroll?
manifold of short or long tubes? same length?
Turbo
03-04-2018, 03:15 PM #7

What turbo you going to use? VNT, single or twin scroll?
manifold of short or long tubes? same length?

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
03-05-2018, 04:43 PM #8
Well, I got started.
   
   
   


My welds are terrible and will probably crack but we'll deal with that if and when it happens.

I'll take more pics tonight but I have a collector. Currently the angles are all too wide so I haven't tack'ed it up, but it's looking good. Fitting 6* 1.9" OD pipe in roughly 1.5* the side of one 1.9" pipe is a bit of a challenge but so far so good.

I started with 3x 1' sections of pipe and cut them at a sharp angle (I'll measure it later) in the middle to make my V's. This made the fitment almost 99.9% perfect as my chopsaw rolled a bit at the end.
This post was last modified: 03-05-2018, 04:52 PM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
03-05-2018, 04:43 PM #8

Well, I got started.
   
   
   


My welds are terrible and will probably crack but we'll deal with that if and when it happens.

I'll take more pics tonight but I have a collector. Currently the angles are all too wide so I haven't tack'ed it up, but it's looking good. Fitting 6* 1.9" OD pipe in roughly 1.5* the side of one 1.9" pipe is a bit of a challenge but so far so good.

I started with 3x 1' sections of pipe and cut them at a sharp angle (I'll measure it later) in the middle to make my V's. This made the fitment almost 99.9% perfect as my chopsaw rolled a bit at the end.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

fordheaded
K26-2

38
03-05-2018, 06:32 PM #9
Try "weldingtipsandtricks.com" for some great instructional videos on mig welding everything pipe.
Lots of practice and patience will be useful, too.
fordheaded
03-05-2018, 06:32 PM #9

Try "weldingtipsandtricks.com" for some great instructional videos on mig welding everything pipe.
Lots of practice and patience will be useful, too.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
03-05-2018, 08:15 PM #10
Decided I wasn't running hot enough and went up a notch. Way better penetration. I ended up re welding all of the welds from the inside to make up for the outside welds. Stepping up my noob level a notch. Cleaned up most of it with a deburr bit and need to chase it with a brillo bit. Now I'm down to the last bit before the flange goes on.

   
   
   
This post was last modified: 03-06-2018, 09:39 AM by winmutt.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
03-05-2018, 08:15 PM #10

Decided I wasn't running hot enough and went up a notch. Way better penetration. I ended up re welding all of the welds from the inside to make up for the outside welds. Stepping up my noob level a notch. Cleaned up most of it with a deburr bit and need to chase it with a brillo bit. Now I'm down to the last bit before the flange goes on.

   
   
   


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

SurfRodder
Jackass Extraordinaire

611
03-05-2018, 10:44 PM #11
Looking good so far brotha!

W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **

S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **

OBK# 62
SurfRodder
03-05-2018, 10:44 PM #11

Looking good so far brotha!


W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **

S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **

OBK# 62

Mallinman
GT2256V

101
03-06-2018, 01:36 AM #12
Looking good. Not a bad effort for a first start. Deffo turn the amps up tho. She’s running 2 cold. Also turn your gas up a little and you will be able to run more stick out so you will find it easier getting into the tight joints.

Mitsubishi L200 manual om605  
7.5mm Bosch 044 fed pump 
Borgwarner S200 
Mallinman
03-06-2018, 01:36 AM #12

Looking good. Not a bad effort for a first start. Deffo turn the amps up tho. She’s running 2 cold. Also turn your gas up a little and you will be able to run more stick out so you will find it easier getting into the tight joints.


Mitsubishi L200 manual om605  
7.5mm Bosch 044 fed pump 
Borgwarner S200 

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
03-06-2018, 07:38 AM #13
(03-06-2018, 01:36 AM)Mallinman Looking good. Not a bad effort for a first start. Deffo turn the amps up tho. She’s running 2 cold. Also turn your gas up a little and you will be able to run more stick out so you will find it easier getting into the tight joints.

I did this with 0.030 FCAW, my regulator is in the mail. I may end up having to do this over again as I'm not sure about fitment of the flange. I think I nailed the narrow width right but am short on the longer width. If nothing else, I've learned a lot so far.

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
03-06-2018, 07:38 AM #13

(03-06-2018, 01:36 AM)Mallinman Looking good. Not a bad effort for a first start. Deffo turn the amps up tho. She’s running 2 cold. Also turn your gas up a little and you will be able to run more stick out so you will find it easier getting into the tight joints.

I did this with 0.030 FCAW, my regulator is in the mail. I may end up having to do this over again as I'm not sure about fitment of the flange. I think I nailed the narrow width right but am short on the longer width. If nothing else, I've learned a lot so far.


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

Mallinman
GT2256V

101
03-08-2018, 01:36 AM #14
It’s all about the practice bud. Just keep messing and you will get it. At least you are getting stuck in. As posted above, Jody does some really good useful videos on weldingtipsandtrucks on YouTube.

Mitsubishi L200 manual om605  
7.5mm Bosch 044 fed pump 
Borgwarner S200 
Mallinman
03-08-2018, 01:36 AM #14

It’s all about the practice bud. Just keep messing and you will get it. At least you are getting stuck in. As posted above, Jody does some really good useful videos on weldingtipsandtrucks on YouTube.


Mitsubishi L200 manual om605  
7.5mm Bosch 044 fed pump 
Borgwarner S200 

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
03-11-2018, 02:04 PM #15
I couldn't find any pipe vids on that site, however I've found a few others that cover butt-weld pretty well
Primarily for cage welding

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
03-11-2018, 02:04 PM #15

I couldn't find any pipe vids on that site, however I've found a few others that cover butt-weld pretty well
Primarily for cage welding


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
03-16-2018, 09:10 AM #16
Ugly as sin and not done yet but it fits!!! Pretty magical considering I didn't measure anything.


   
   

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
03-16-2018, 09:10 AM #16

Ugly as sin and not done yet but it fits!!! Pretty magical considering I didn't measure anything.


   
   


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

starynovy
Holset

338
03-19-2018, 12:29 PM #17
Too cold still. Weld should be fused into each tube and even/slightly convex between them. These spits will crack at first start. Wink

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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
starynovy
03-19-2018, 12:29 PM #17

Too cold still. Weld should be fused into each tube and even/slightly convex between them. These spits will crack at first start. Wink


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW

baldur
Fast

509
03-19-2018, 12:31 PM #18
(03-19-2018, 12:29 PM)starynovy Too cold still. Weld should be fused into each tube and even/slightly convex between them. These spits will crack at first start. Wink

Yeah, needs much more heat. Crank the amps up.

Baldur Gislason

baldur
03-19-2018, 12:31 PM #18

(03-19-2018, 12:29 PM)starynovy Too cold still. Weld should be fused into each tube and even/slightly convex between them. These spits will crack at first start. Wink

Yeah, needs much more heat. Crank the amps up.


Baldur Gislason

hooblah
Holset

401
03-20-2018, 02:46 PM #19
Consider slowing down as well to get a bigger weld pool and more fusion. It will also make your welds look better. Also keep the torch as close as possible to the weld.
hooblah
03-20-2018, 02:46 PM #19

Consider slowing down as well to get a bigger weld pool and more fusion. It will also make your welds look better. Also keep the torch as close as possible to the weld.

baldur
Fast

509
03-20-2018, 04:23 PM #20
Here's a mild steel manifold I built back in 2004 and it's still in service. TIG welding makes it so much easier to control the weld quality and get welds that 
penetrate through the entire thickness of the material. 
You can still do it with MIG, it just takes some practice.
A little tip, grind the pipes so that there's a gap between them at the top and you have a little groove that allows the weld metal to get in between them.
That way it'll be easier to get some penetration. Also make sure the wire isn't feeding too fast. You may clog some MIG nozzles if you go too slow but too slow
is better than too fast, as too much wire feed cools the weld down.
[Image: exmani030007.jpg]
This post was last modified: 03-20-2018, 04:30 PM by baldur.

Baldur Gislason

baldur
03-20-2018, 04:23 PM #20

Here's a mild steel manifold I built back in 2004 and it's still in service. TIG welding makes it so much easier to control the weld quality and get welds that 
penetrate through the entire thickness of the material. 
You can still do it with MIG, it just takes some practice.
A little tip, grind the pipes so that there's a gap between them at the top and you have a little groove that allows the weld metal to get in between them.
That way it'll be easier to get some penetration. Also make sure the wire isn't feeding too fast. You may clog some MIG nozzles if you go too slow but too slow
is better than too fast, as too much wire feed cools the weld down.
[Image: exmani030007.jpg]


Baldur Gislason

Mallinman
GT2256V

101
03-22-2018, 07:12 PM #21
What turbo are you going to put on?? Or turbos?

Mitsubishi L200 manual om605  
7.5mm Bosch 044 fed pump 
Borgwarner S200 
Mallinman
03-22-2018, 07:12 PM #21

What turbo are you going to put on?? Or turbos?


Mitsubishi L200 manual om605  
7.5mm Bosch 044 fed pump 
Borgwarner S200 

atypicalguy
Holset

555
04-04-2018, 10:42 AM #22
(03-20-2018, 04:23 PM)baldur Here's a mild steel manifold I built back in 2004 and it's still in service. TIG welding makes it so much easier to control the weld quality and get welds that 
penetrate through the entire thickness of the material. 
You can still do it with MIG, it just takes some practice.
A little tip, grind the pipes so that there's a gap between them at the top and you have a little groove that allows the weld metal to get in between them.
That way it'll be easier to get some penetration. Also make sure the wire isn't feeding too fast. You may clog some MIG nozzles if you go too slow but too slow
is better than too fast, as too much wire feed cools the weld down.
[Image: exmani030007.jpg]

Those are some very nice welds.
atypicalguy
04-04-2018, 10:42 AM #22

(03-20-2018, 04:23 PM)baldur Here's a mild steel manifold I built back in 2004 and it's still in service. TIG welding makes it so much easier to control the weld quality and get welds that 
penetrate through the entire thickness of the material. 
You can still do it with MIG, it just takes some practice.
A little tip, grind the pipes so that there's a gap between them at the top and you have a little groove that allows the weld metal to get in between them.
That way it'll be easier to get some penetration. Also make sure the wire isn't feeding too fast. You may clog some MIG nozzles if you go too slow but too slow
is better than too fast, as too much wire feed cools the weld down.
[Image: exmani030007.jpg]

Those are some very nice welds.

starynovy
Holset

338
04-04-2018, 05:28 PM #23
Yes gap is a must even with TIG for full fusion. But I would say you will destroy turbo with MIG because there is just too much shit flying and balls everywhere. There is a reason for TIG-clean weld.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
starynovy
04-04-2018, 05:28 PM #23

Yes gap is a must even with TIG for full fusion. But I would say you will destroy turbo with MIG because there is just too much shit flying and balls everywhere. There is a reason for TIG-clean weld.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW

atypicalguy
Holset

555
04-05-2018, 05:54 PM #24
Has anyone here ever ruined a turbo compressor housing by welding on it? I was told by a guy that sometimes it will warp the whole cover and render it useless.
atypicalguy
04-05-2018, 05:54 PM #24

Has anyone here ever ruined a turbo compressor housing by welding on it? I was told by a guy that sometimes it will warp the whole cover and render it useless.

firen456
TA 0301

73
04-06-2018, 09:42 AM #25
I welded a lot comp housings (v-band clamps or hose connectors) and there were never issues about wrapping.
firen456
04-06-2018, 09:42 AM #25

I welded a lot comp housings (v-band clamps or hose connectors) and there were never issues about wrapping.

TurboTim
Holset

457
04-13-2018, 09:52 PM #26
I have a few head flanges for cheap if ya need.

87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
TurboTim
04-13-2018, 09:52 PM #26

I have a few head flanges for cheap if ya need.


87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com

atypicalguy
Holset

555
06-11-2018, 12:30 AM #27
(04-06-2018, 09:42 AM)firen456 I welded a lot comp housings (v-band clamps or hose connectors) and there were never issues about wrapping.

Thanks. I see people welding stuff to the compressor cover outlet and inlet all the time, and nobody ever talks about it warping. But a pretty smart guy from a turbo manufacturer told me they see it sometimes.

Sorry for hijack. How is your manifold coming along, Winmutt?
atypicalguy
06-11-2018, 12:30 AM #27

(04-06-2018, 09:42 AM)firen456 I welded a lot comp housings (v-band clamps or hose connectors) and there were never issues about wrapping.

Thanks. I see people welding stuff to the compressor cover outlet and inlet all the time, and nobody ever talks about it warping. But a pretty smart guy from a turbo manufacturer told me they see it sometimes.

Sorry for hijack. How is your manifold coming along, Winmutt?

g wizz
fuel oil junkie

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10-22-2018, 01:09 AM #28
(04-05-2018, 05:54 PM)atypicalguy Has anyone here ever ruined a turbo compressor housing by welding on it? I was told by a guy that sometimes it will warp the whole cover and render it useless.

i tig with stainless 308l rod most the time i mess with cast iron cause it wets the best or si bronze if im really worried about precipitation cracking. to warp a housing you would have to throw a bunch of heat at it, or really a BIG glob of weld. wich realistically is user error not cause of the process.

85 300d om603, 717, he 341, sch40 stainless manifold with prioritized 50mm external W/G (2"open dump), intercooled, intake manifold, full 3.5 stainless exhaust.
need to figure out a different trans cause its already pissed with only 5.5mm elements... then diff and suspension. but for now its daily as described above.
g wizz
10-22-2018, 01:09 AM #28

(04-05-2018, 05:54 PM)atypicalguy Has anyone here ever ruined a turbo compressor housing by welding on it? I was told by a guy that sometimes it will warp the whole cover and render it useless.

i tig with stainless 308l rod most the time i mess with cast iron cause it wets the best or si bronze if im really worried about precipitation cracking. to warp a housing you would have to throw a bunch of heat at it, or really a BIG glob of weld. wich realistically is user error not cause of the process.


85 300d om603, 717, he 341, sch40 stainless manifold with prioritized 50mm external W/G (2"open dump), intercooled, intake manifold, full 3.5 stainless exhaust.
need to figure out a different trans cause its already pissed with only 5.5mm elements... then diff and suspension. but for now its daily as described above.

atypicalguy
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555
10-23-2018, 08:06 PM #29
(10-22-2018, 01:09 AM)g wizz
(04-05-2018, 05:54 PM)atypicalguy Has anyone here ever ruined a turbo compressor housing by welding on it? I was told by a guy that sometimes it will warp the whole cover and render it useless.

i tig with stainless 308l rod most the time i mess with cast iron cause it wets the best or si bronze if im really worried about precipitation cracking. to warp a housing you would have to throw a bunch of heat at it, or really a BIG glob of weld. wich realistically is user error not cause of the process.

Thanks but I was talking about the compressor housing, i.e. aluminum. Aluminum shrinks when you weld it so it always distorts a bit, but I think welding a vband flange on the outlet should be OK.
atypicalguy
10-23-2018, 08:06 PM #29

(10-22-2018, 01:09 AM)g wizz
(04-05-2018, 05:54 PM)atypicalguy Has anyone here ever ruined a turbo compressor housing by welding on it? I was told by a guy that sometimes it will warp the whole cover and render it useless.

i tig with stainless 308l rod most the time i mess with cast iron cause it wets the best or si bronze if im really worried about precipitation cracking. to warp a housing you would have to throw a bunch of heat at it, or really a BIG glob of weld. wich realistically is user error not cause of the process.

Thanks but I was talking about the compressor housing, i.e. aluminum. Aluminum shrinks when you weld it so it always distorts a bit, but I think welding a vband flange on the outlet should be OK.

g wizz
fuel oil junkie

32
11-05-2018, 06:46 PM #30
(10-23-2018, 08:06 PM)atypicalguy
(10-22-2018, 01:09 AM)g wizz
(04-05-2018, 05:54 PM)atypicalguy Has anyone here ever ruined a turbo compressor housing by welding on it? I was told by a guy that sometimes it will warp the whole cover and render it useless.

i tig with stainless 308l rod most the time i mess with cast iron cause it wets the best or si bronze if im really worried about precipitation cracking. to warp a housing you would have to throw a bunch of heat at it, or really a BIG glob of weld. wich realistically is user error not cause of the process.

Thanks but I was talking about the compressor housing, i.e. aluminum. Aluminum shrinks when you weld it so it always distorts a bit, but I think welding a vband flange on the outlet should be OK.

aluminum is actually pretty good about dissipating heat. if there were any shrinkage/warping it would be isolated to the weld area. i wouldn't worry about it but im also a pretty decent tig weldor so ya. any proficient tig weldor should have no problem doing it. nothing on a compressor housing is super thin so thermally its pretty stable.
g wizz
11-05-2018, 06:46 PM #30

(10-23-2018, 08:06 PM)atypicalguy
(10-22-2018, 01:09 AM)g wizz
(04-05-2018, 05:54 PM)atypicalguy Has anyone here ever ruined a turbo compressor housing by welding on it? I was told by a guy that sometimes it will warp the whole cover and render it useless.

i tig with stainless 308l rod most the time i mess with cast iron cause it wets the best or si bronze if im really worried about precipitation cracking. to warp a housing you would have to throw a bunch of heat at it, or really a BIG glob of weld. wich realistically is user error not cause of the process.

Thanks but I was talking about the compressor housing, i.e. aluminum. Aluminum shrinks when you weld it so it always distorts a bit, but I think welding a vband flange on the outlet should be OK.

aluminum is actually pretty good about dissipating heat. if there were any shrinkage/warping it would be isolated to the weld area. i wouldn't worry about it but im also a pretty decent tig weldor so ya. any proficient tig weldor should have no problem doing it. nothing on a compressor housing is super thin so thermally its pretty stable.

 
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