Common rail diesel discussion thread
Common rail diesel discussion thread
Where are said filters? Really did not see them in configurator.
Fuel request map is smooth as baby butt.
What about that exhaust pops? Cant imagine thats good for turbo one day shaft is gonna snap.
If you have 20 working cars just send him some config to try out, it really does not matter if its from 4/5/6 cylinder, should work about the same expect firind order ofc. He says it runs version 0.6. Maybe he should wait for at least 1.1.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
Watertemp sensor works just fine and shows good value. In every other map where watertemp is present cursor works.
Where are said filters? Really did not see them in configurator.
Fuel request map is smooth as baby butt.
What about that exhaust pops? Cant imagine thats good for turbo one day shaft is gonna snap.
If you have 20 working cars just send him some config to try out, it really does not matter if its from 4/5/6 cylinder, should work about the same expect firind order ofc. He says it runs version 0.6. Maybe he should wait for at least 1.1.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
Yeah most helpful useful poster strikes again. I really did not see anything of value posted by you except for stating obvious so be quiet.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
so by this you want to piss down on me as well or how should I interpret that, seriously!? I can not see how I am to blame in any way for this? seriously, come on be serious now
Frankly how am I suppose to interpreter this, if in any way I have offended you, I do apologize but you state some facts but you have not been in contact with the manufacture to see if you can solve this in any way with him, how constructed is that, it sound you are not in any interest to come solve the problem at all rather just piss down on the manufacture and in my opinion that is highly unfair to say at least...
so by this you want to piss down on me as well or how should I interpret that, seriously!? I can not see how I am to blame in any way for this? seriously, come on be serious now
I just want to say fantastic work on this. I'm a Software Engineer and a car guy, and I'm immensely impressed by what you've been able to reverse engineer and achieve with the DSL1 and the DID1... and then I see you've got a few petrol engine ECUs too! man, impressive stuff.
I especially love that you use LaTeX for the documentation, that made me smile. (I'm just finished up my second book written with it...)
Have you started work on controller for the OM642? It's reasonably common in North America, and I think a lot of people would love to use it as a swap candidate, especially because it came in various Jeeps so the transmission and 4x4 possibilities will be very interesting.
Do you have even a rough idea on timeline for that? (I know you're a busy guy!)
Thanks man, keep it up!
-Dan
Hi baldur,
I just want to say fantastic work on this. I'm a Software Engineer and a car guy, and I'm immensely impressed by what you've been able to reverse engineer and achieve with the DSL1 and the DID1... and then I see you've got a few petrol engine ECUs too! man, impressive stuff.
I especially love that you use LaTeX for the documentation, that made me smile. (I'm just finished up my second book written with it...)
Have you started work on controller for the OM642? It's reasonably common in North America, and I think a lot of people would love to use it as a swap candidate, especially because it came in various Jeeps so the transmission and 4x4 possibilities will be very interesting.
Do you have even a rough idea on timeline for that? (I know you're a busy guy!)
Thanks man, keep it up!
-Dan
(03-20-2020, 08:03 AM)baldur I am preparing to make something for piezo injectors, and I have started design but not built a prototype yet. I expect to have something working around the end of this year.
Thanks very much baldur.
.. I'm looking at other engines, do you know if the DID1 can control diesels made by VM? I'm specifically looking at their A630 3.0 V6.
It's becoming more and more common in North America in 4x4s from Jeep and Dodge.
I found some Marketing junk says:
"The EcoDiesel uses Fiat’s proprietary fuel injection system known as MultiJet II. The fuel injectors use a servovalve instead of piezo. The servovalve injectors are actually able to accommodate up to eight fuel-injection events per cycle... "
They also have a 2.8l I4 engine (called an A428) that was in a few 4x4 in North America in around the 2006-2010 timeline and the new version of that engine (often called a Duramax by GM) says it uses Pizo injectors here (https://www.dieselhub.com/duramax/2.8l-duramax-lwn.html). I wonder if your pizo controller would run these engines?
If you can get emissions controls you would open up an enormous market in North America of people that could legally swap this into newer vehicles.
Thanks again,
-Dan
(03-20-2020, 08:03 AM)baldur I am preparing to make something for piezo injectors, and I have started design but not built a prototype yet. I expect to have something working around the end of this year.
Thanks very much baldur.
.. I'm looking at other engines, do you know if the DID1 can control diesels made by VM? I'm specifically looking at their A630 3.0 V6.
It's becoming more and more common in North America in 4x4s from Jeep and Dodge.
I found some Marketing junk says:
"The EcoDiesel uses Fiat’s proprietary fuel injection system known as MultiJet II. The fuel injectors use a servovalve instead of piezo. The servovalve injectors are actually able to accommodate up to eight fuel-injection events per cycle... "
They also have a 2.8l I4 engine (called an A428) that was in a few 4x4 in North America in around the 2006-2010 timeline and the new version of that engine (often called a Duramax by GM) says it uses Pizo injectors here (https://www.dieselhub.com/duramax/2.8l-duramax-lwn.html). I wonder if your pizo controller would run these engines?
If you can get emissions controls you would open up an enormous market in North America of people that could legally swap this into newer vehicles.
Thanks again,
-Dan
I think the piezoelectric injectors will prove more challenging to start from scratch tuning with than the solenoids, but not terribly so.
Supporting the emissions controls is not at all difficult, but that won't do any good as if you are legally required to have the emissions controls you are also probably legally required to have really costly certification on the emissions of the vehicle. While I do plan to write control strategies for EGR I feel that there are a lot of other projects that would be more beneficial to do before that happens.
Baldur Gislason
If the A630 is the engine found in the 1500 RAM I think they are just normal solenoids.
I think the piezoelectric injectors will prove more challenging to start from scratch tuning with than the solenoids, but not terribly so.
Supporting the emissions controls is not at all difficult, but that won't do any good as if you are legally required to have the emissions controls you are also probably legally required to have really costly certification on the emissions of the vehicle. While I do plan to write control strategies for EGR I feel that there are a lot of other projects that would be more beneficial to do before that happens.
Baldur Gislason
Able to convert the 2.5 and 2.8L VM CR engine mapping to the DID1 Common Rail Diesel ECU
diesel1972
03-22-2020, 12:27 PM #110We have done some 2.5 and 2.8L VM for race and rally used by Jeep and some other brands so we have the mapping for them. Depending on type and model the use solenoid or piezo injectors. Solenoid makes more power and we are able to get the solenoid injector and hi pressure fuel lines to convert from piezo to solenoid injectors.
Able to convert the 2.5 and 2.8L VM CR engine mapping to the DID1 Common Rail Diesel ECU
I have couple of questions about this and hope you (or someone else here) may know. I have an OM648 in storage that I originally was going to run with stock M-B ECU. As soon as I saw you working on this I decide to wait and get your unit for obvious benefits. I do not think we ever got the 613 here in the 'States, but the 648 are not too hard to come by. In any case, that's what I have and want to control with your ECU.
1) Will a OM613 harness easily adapt to the OM648?
2) From what I've read the 648 still has solenoid injectors, but are the 613 connectors the same or would I need 613 injectors as well?
Thanks again for making this happen!
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
04-13-2020, 03:20 PM #112Baldur,
I have couple of questions about this and hope you (or someone else here) may know. I have an OM648 in storage that I originally was going to run with stock M-B ECU. As soon as I saw you working on this I decide to wait and get your unit for obvious benefits. I do not think we ever got the 613 here in the 'States, but the 648 are not too hard to come by. In any case, that's what I have and want to control with your ECU.
1) Will a OM613 harness easily adapt to the OM648?
2) From what I've read the 648 still has solenoid injectors, but are the 613 connectors the same or would I need 613 injectors as well?
Thanks again for making this happen!
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
You absolutely could run an OM648 on an OM613 wiring harness if you had a 613 wiring harness on hand, you would need to make some minor modifications. As it turns out the mass airflow sensor on the OM613 uses the same connector as the turbocharger VGT actuator on the OM648 and the mass airflow sensor is not needed by my ECU so that part of the loom can be repurposed.
You could also just snip the ECU end off the 648 harness and follow the step by step instructions I prepared for attaching new connectors to run my ECU on the OM648. Have a look at https://controls.is/manuals/did1.pdf appendix E covers the OM648 wiring step by step.
Baldur Gislason
The OM648 and OM613 are almost identical. The 648 has an upgraded high pressure pump, an electronic VGT actuator and depending on the year it can have some more emissions kit like an electronic throttle body for better control of EGR flow. The injectors are interchangeable although I believe the 648 injector flows more fuel.
You absolutely could run an OM648 on an OM613 wiring harness if you had a 613 wiring harness on hand, you would need to make some minor modifications. As it turns out the mass airflow sensor on the OM613 uses the same connector as the turbocharger VGT actuator on the OM648 and the mass airflow sensor is not needed by my ECU so that part of the loom can be repurposed.
You could also just snip the ECU end off the 648 harness and follow the step by step instructions I prepared for attaching new connectors to run my ECU on the OM648. Have a look at https://controls.is/manuals/did1.pdf appendix E covers the OM648 wiring step by step.
Baldur Gislason
(04-13-2020, 06:16 PM)baldur The OM648 and OM613 are almost identical. The 648 has an upgraded high pressure pump, an electronic VGT actuator and depending on the year it can have some more emissions kit like an electronic throttle body for better control of EGR flow. The injectors are interchangeable although I believe the 648 injector flows more fuel.Awesome. I will be purchasing one later this week to run my OM648. I have full '05 e300d engine harness and a matching set of security / ecu parts but was not looking forward to working with it. Once I heard about your effort here nearing completion, I decided to wait. Only problem now is getting to this project soon enough. I have several in front of it that I hope to complete this summer
You absolutely could run an OM648 on an OM613 wiring harness if you had a 613 wiring harness on hand, you would need to make some minor modifications. As it turns out the mass airflow sensor on the OM613 uses the same connector as the turbocharger VGT actuator on the OM648 and the mass airflow sensor is not needed by my ECU so that part of the loom can be repurposed.
You could also just snip the ECU end off the 648 harness and follow the step by step instructions I prepared for attaching new connectors to run my ECU on the OM648. Have a look at https://controls.is/manuals/did1.pdf appendix E covers the OM648 wiring step by step.
In any case, thanks again for making this happen.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
05-26-2020, 10:36 AM #115(04-13-2020, 06:16 PM)baldur The OM648 and OM613 are almost identical. The 648 has an upgraded high pressure pump, an electronic VGT actuator and depending on the year it can have some more emissions kit like an electronic throttle body for better control of EGR flow. The injectors are interchangeable although I believe the 648 injector flows more fuel.Awesome. I will be purchasing one later this week to run my OM648. I have full '05 e300d engine harness and a matching set of security / ecu parts but was not looking forward to working with it. Once I heard about your effort here nearing completion, I decided to wait. Only problem now is getting to this project soon enough. I have several in front of it that I hope to complete this summer
You absolutely could run an OM648 on an OM613 wiring harness if you had a 613 wiring harness on hand, you would need to make some minor modifications. As it turns out the mass airflow sensor on the OM613 uses the same connector as the turbocharger VGT actuator on the OM648 and the mass airflow sensor is not needed by my ECU so that part of the loom can be repurposed.
You could also just snip the ECU end off the 648 harness and follow the step by step instructions I prepared for attaching new connectors to run my ECU on the OM648. Have a look at https://controls.is/manuals/did1.pdf appendix E covers the OM648 wiring step by step.
In any case, thanks again for making this happen.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
(05-26-2020, 10:36 AM)SurfRodderSurf - Are you putting the motor in the 123 or the 124? I think I am finally replacing the 617.(04-13-2020, 06:16 PM)baldur The OM648 and OM613 are almost identical. The 648 has an upgraded high pressure pump, an electronic VGT actuator and depending on the year it can have some more emissions kit like an electronic throttle body for better control of EGR flow. The injectors are interchangeable although I believe the 648 injector flows more fuel.Awesome. I will be purchasing one later this week to run my OM648. I have full '05 e300d engine harness and a matching set of security / ecu parts but was not looking forward to working with it. Once I heard about your effort here nearing completion, I decided to wait. Only problem now is getting to this project soon enough. I have several in front of it that I hope to complete this summer
You absolutely could run an OM648 on an OM613 wiring harness if you had a 613 wiring harness on hand, you would need to make some minor modifications. As it turns out the mass airflow sensor on the OM613 uses the same connector as the turbocharger VGT actuator on the OM648 and the mass airflow sensor is not needed by my ECU so that part of the loom can be repurposed.
You could also just snip the ECU end off the 648 harness and follow the step by step instructions I prepared for attaching new connectors to run my ECU on the OM648. Have a look at https://controls.is/manuals/did1.pdf appendix E covers the OM648 wiring step by step.
In any case, thanks again for making this happen.
atypicalguy
08-14-2020, 09:30 AM #116(05-26-2020, 10:36 AM)SurfRodderSurf - Are you putting the motor in the 123 or the 124? I think I am finally replacing the 617.(04-13-2020, 06:16 PM)baldur The OM648 and OM613 are almost identical. The 648 has an upgraded high pressure pump, an electronic VGT actuator and depending on the year it can have some more emissions kit like an electronic throttle body for better control of EGR flow. The injectors are interchangeable although I believe the 648 injector flows more fuel.Awesome. I will be purchasing one later this week to run my OM648. I have full '05 e300d engine harness and a matching set of security / ecu parts but was not looking forward to working with it. Once I heard about your effort here nearing completion, I decided to wait. Only problem now is getting to this project soon enough. I have several in front of it that I hope to complete this summer
You absolutely could run an OM648 on an OM613 wiring harness if you had a 613 wiring harness on hand, you would need to make some minor modifications. As it turns out the mass airflow sensor on the OM613 uses the same connector as the turbocharger VGT actuator on the OM648 and the mass airflow sensor is not needed by my ECU so that part of the loom can be repurposed.
You could also just snip the ECU end off the 648 harness and follow the step by step instructions I prepared for attaching new connectors to run my ECU on the OM648. Have a look at https://controls.is/manuals/did1.pdf appendix E covers the OM648 wiring step by step.
In any case, thanks again for making this happen.
50harleyrider
09-09-2020, 08:01 PM #117i'm looking to use a v6 diesel common rail engine (with compatible injector protocol) in my next swap and was looking for advice for donors now that Baldur has the new ecu ready. Any suggestions would be appreciated. 2011-2017 F150's are in my sites for a potential project and USSHIFT has a tcm for the 6 speed that came in those trucks. The OM606 is a bit long for me although an awesome engine.
https://youtu.be/0lkaipcm8SE
Baldur Gislason
Took a customer's car to the dyno earlier this week. OM628 engine making a smidge over 300 horsepower at the rear wheels through an auto transmission and a much too small torque converter for the engine. This has got to be in the region of 80-90 horsepower greater than the stock rating of 256 horsepower at the crankshaft which is pretty good considering this tune was developed in one hour on the street, not touched on the dyno. Minimal smoke too.
https://youtu.be/0lkaipcm8SE
Baldur Gislason
(10-15-2020, 06:27 PM)baldur Took a customer's car to the dyno earlier this week. OM628 engine making a smidge over 300 horsepower at the rear wheels through an auto transmission and a much too small torque converter for the engine. This has got to be in the region of 80-90 horsepower greater than the stock rating of 256 horsepower at the crankshaft which is pretty good considering this tune was developed in one hour on the street, not touched on the dyno. Minimal smoke too.Very cool - they still sound like 606s. How much do those 628 engines sell for?
https://youtu.be/0lkaipcm8SE
-Dan
(10-15-2020, 06:27 PM)baldur Took a customer's car to the dyno earlier this week. OM628 engine making a smidge over 300 horsepower at the rear wheels through an auto transmission and a much too small torque converter for the engine. This has got to be in the region of 80-90 horsepower greater than the stock rating of 256 horsepower at the crankshaft which is pretty good considering this tune was developed in one hour on the street, not touched on the dyno. Minimal smoke too.Very cool - they still sound like 606s. How much do those 628 engines sell for?
https://youtu.be/0lkaipcm8SE
-Dan
(10-17-2020, 11:57 PM)Grecy(10-15-2020, 06:27 PM)baldur Took a customer's car to the dyno earlier this week. OM628 engine making a smidge over 300 horsepower at the rear wheels through an auto transmission and a much too small torque converter for the engine. This has got to be in the region of 80-90 horsepower greater than the stock rating of 256 horsepower at the crankshaft which is pretty good considering this tune was developed in one hour on the street, not touched on the dyno. Minimal smoke too.Very cool - they still sound like 606s. How much do those 628 engines sell for?
https://youtu.be/0lkaipcm8SE
-Dan
What my buddy who does all these swaps has been doing is he goes to Germany and just buys beat up old but drivable cars for a couple thousand euros and takes the engine out, places it on a pallet and has it shipped to Iceland. Had a much better experience doing it this way rather than buying an engine that has potentially been sitting for years in a shed.
Baldur Gislason
(10-17-2020, 11:57 PM)Grecy(10-15-2020, 06:27 PM)baldur Took a customer's car to the dyno earlier this week. OM628 engine making a smidge over 300 horsepower at the rear wheels through an auto transmission and a much too small torque converter for the engine. This has got to be in the region of 80-90 horsepower greater than the stock rating of 256 horsepower at the crankshaft which is pretty good considering this tune was developed in one hour on the street, not touched on the dyno. Minimal smoke too.Very cool - they still sound like 606s. How much do those 628 engines sell for?
https://youtu.be/0lkaipcm8SE
-Dan
What my buddy who does all these swaps has been doing is he goes to Germany and just buys beat up old but drivable cars for a couple thousand euros and takes the engine out, places it on a pallet and has it shipped to Iceland. Had a much better experience doing it this way rather than buying an engine that has potentially been sitting for years in a shed.
Baldur Gislason
And does it come with some sort of stock tune like the one you mentioned for the 628 above?
Thanks
atypicalguy
02-05-2021, 10:42 AM #121Baldur my car is running on the stock ECU. I may move the motor and 722.6 to another car, due to a truck running into the first car. If I wanted to switch to your ECU, I guess I would just snip off the stock ECU plug from the engine harness and run all the wires in per the diagram to your plug? And then it needs a single power feed and ground?
And does it come with some sort of stock tune like the one you mentioned for the 628 above?
Thanks
(02-05-2021, 10:42 AM)atypicalguy Baldur my car is running on the stock ECU. I may move the motor and 722.6 to another car, due to a truck running into the first car. If I wanted to switch to your ECU, I guess I would just snip off the stock ECU plug from the engine harness and run all the wires in per the diagram to your plug? And then it needs a single power feed and ground?
And does it come with some sort of stock tune like the one you mentioned for the 628 above?
Thanks
Yes that is exactly how it works, unless you have an OM611, OM612 or OM613 then you can reuse the loom without cutting it as the connectors are compatible.
I do have good base tunes for a variety of engines.
Baldur
Baldur Gislason
(02-05-2021, 10:42 AM)atypicalguy Baldur my car is running on the stock ECU. I may move the motor and 722.6 to another car, due to a truck running into the first car. If I wanted to switch to your ECU, I guess I would just snip off the stock ECU plug from the engine harness and run all the wires in per the diagram to your plug? And then it needs a single power feed and ground?
And does it come with some sort of stock tune like the one you mentioned for the 628 above?
Thanks
Yes that is exactly how it works, unless you have an OM611, OM612 or OM613 then you can reuse the loom without cutting it as the connectors are compatible.
I do have good base tunes for a variety of engines.
Baldur
Baldur Gislason
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