5 cylinder M Super pump testing, fitted with M75 Floyd 7.5mm elements
5 cylinder M Super pump testing, fitted with M75 Floyd 7.5mm elements
The stock manifold is completely junk unless you get your hands on a euro manifold but still you have to do modifications to the stock flange. I will try tk replicate the kkd manifold as best as i can to accomidate the hx.
Well the motor is completely stock at the moment so if the testing needs it to be for jdle qhality and idle return. The car is sitting the the garage ready to go.
Making the manifold is not a problem have built numerious manifolds before, deffinitely not the first time.
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
George3soccer
12-21-2010, 10:56 AM #151the stock clutch was there for money reason. Will deffinitly be making something good during the next few months with clutch and flywheel set up.
The stock manifold is completely junk unless you get your hands on a euro manifold but still you have to do modifications to the stock flange. I will try tk replicate the kkd manifold as best as i can to accomidate the hx.
Well the motor is completely stock at the moment so if the testing needs it to be for jdle qhality and idle return. The car is sitting the the garage ready to go.
Making the manifold is not a problem have built numerious manifolds before, deffinitely not the first time.
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
Hey I can give you a ride to MD where scott is if he ends up using ur car it's the least i can do I just wanna do whatever i can and hey scott please keep us posted on what is happening
squirrelmaster
12-21-2010, 06:52 PM #152great. i hope that this can get rolling asap
Hey I can give you a ride to MD where scott is if he ends up using ur car it's the least i can do I just wanna do whatever i can and hey scott please keep us posted on what is happening
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...p?tid=2082
Dave M.
Boise, ID, USA
1997 E420 - 149kmi (Bugeyes)
1994 E420 - 136kmi (Blondie)
1994 E500 - 116kmi (Q-ship)
1992 500E - 179kmi (Mach 5)
1987 300D - 330kmi (Sportline Stage 2)
Click here for my website!
New thread with details on my OM603 pump with 6mm elements installed:
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/show...p?tid=2082
Dave M.
Boise, ID, USA
1997 E420 - 149kmi (Bugeyes)
1994 E420 - 136kmi (Blondie)
1994 E500 - 116kmi (Q-ship)
1992 500E - 179kmi (Mach 5)
1987 300D - 330kmi (Sportline Stage 2)
Click here for my website!
squirrelmaster
01-04-2011, 06:04 PM #154So how is are the pumps coming along, is this still at a stand still?
Russell Free
01-09-2011, 03:44 PM #156Where are these parts available from? I have a 1985 300sd want to give a little more power too. Plus how well does his engine survive these kind of settings or modifications???
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
There is a Bosch Injection Pump shop here in the Palm Beaches that will install any elements you have and "rebuild" the pump quickly- it's all they do, and it's not side jobs. I have no idea what Derv Tuning is charging, but a pump rebuild is at least $1300. If someone is seriously interested drop me a PM. I will assist in making sure the pump arrives and work is getting done and the pump finished and sent out for little compensation.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
(05-12-2010, 10:20 AM)DervTuning The super pump lives! For further testing of the bench settings on the pump, it is highly desirable to fit the pump to an engine to get dynamic qualitative, and quantitative feedback. The goal is to have a perfectly setup pump, with optimal delivery and response characteristics. This ensures that once the customer gets the pump, it is simply a plug and play situation. All fun, and no problems!
Therefore, I installed the super pump onto the engine in the 85 w123 that is running an authentic Garrett, basically full T4 turbo (compressor and turbine wheels, with a t3 inlet on the turbine housing), a 3" diameter downpipe, and water injection, for an evaluation of idle response, as well as other key parameters for performance. This is in the case that something needs attention, the pump can be fitted back to the bench for adjustments before being shipped out.
The results are in; the engine has never idled so well! Totally smooth, and driving at low speeds, the tip in response was excellent, with no issues with surging or other strange effects. Immediately, the effect of more fuel delivery, as well as faster delivery was observed, whilst driving a usual route.
Subsequently, merging onto the freeway, a wholly different beast was unleashed under the hood, with power like never before. Before I knew it, I was just over the speed I normally would drive at, just an ultra smooth flow of power coupled with fine sounds as the turbo responded. Very, very impressive! After a quick systems check, and a clear space in front of me, the transmission was placed into 3rd @ 65mph, yielding near 4K rpms and the throttle depressed; instantly, the boost shot up to ~30psi, as well as the EGTs which stabilized as the boost kicked in, and then wheelspin occurred! Incredible! This is not a small turbo either, but I've never seen it respond so well compared to other platforms I've tried the same turbo in (gas engines).
It should be noted that prior to the super pump install, with the stock MW adjusted to it's maximum, I was getting ~10 psi max.
I will be able to resume testing later in the day, and if everything goes as well as it has, the super pump will be shipped out straightaway!
Would like to know where I can purchase these parts would like to get a little more out of my 1985 300SD
Russell Free
01-13-2011, 09:35 PM #159(05-12-2010, 10:20 AM)DervTuning The super pump lives! For further testing of the bench settings on the pump, it is highly desirable to fit the pump to an engine to get dynamic qualitative, and quantitative feedback. The goal is to have a perfectly setup pump, with optimal delivery and response characteristics. This ensures that once the customer gets the pump, it is simply a plug and play situation. All fun, and no problems!
Therefore, I installed the super pump onto the engine in the 85 w123 that is running an authentic Garrett, basically full T4 turbo (compressor and turbine wheels, with a t3 inlet on the turbine housing), a 3" diameter downpipe, and water injection, for an evaluation of idle response, as well as other key parameters for performance. This is in the case that something needs attention, the pump can be fitted back to the bench for adjustments before being shipped out.
The results are in; the engine has never idled so well! Totally smooth, and driving at low speeds, the tip in response was excellent, with no issues with surging or other strange effects. Immediately, the effect of more fuel delivery, as well as faster delivery was observed, whilst driving a usual route.
Subsequently, merging onto the freeway, a wholly different beast was unleashed under the hood, with power like never before. Before I knew it, I was just over the speed I normally would drive at, just an ultra smooth flow of power coupled with fine sounds as the turbo responded. Very, very impressive! After a quick systems check, and a clear space in front of me, the transmission was placed into 3rd @ 65mph, yielding near 4K rpms and the throttle depressed; instantly, the boost shot up to ~30psi, as well as the EGTs which stabilized as the boost kicked in, and then wheelspin occurred! Incredible! This is not a small turbo either, but I've never seen it respond so well compared to other platforms I've tried the same turbo in (gas engines).
It should be noted that prior to the super pump install, with the stock MW adjusted to it's maximum, I was getting ~10 psi max.
I will be able to resume testing later in the day, and if everything goes as well as it has, the super pump will be shipped out straightaway!
Would like to know where I can purchase these parts would like to get a little more out of my 1985 300SD
(01-10-2011, 09:16 AM)gsxrYou supply the elements- they install them and rebuild the pump.(01-10-2011, 07:16 AM)MTUPower I have no idea what Derv Tuning is charging, but a pump rebuild is at least $1300.Just curious, is that $1300 including the larger elements, or $1300 plus the cost of larger elements...?
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
(01-10-2011, 09:16 AM)gsxrYou supply the elements- they install them and rebuild the pump.(01-10-2011, 07:16 AM)MTUPower I have no idea what Derv Tuning is charging, but a pump rebuild is at least $1300.Just curious, is that $1300 including the larger elements, or $1300 plus the cost of larger elements...?
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
George3soccer
01-14-2011, 11:23 PM #162Wow the numbers are getting better and better.
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
jonbobshinigin
01-14-2011, 11:31 PM #163My concern with a shop other than Derv, is that the tuning of the pump will not be on part. I had a shop quote me $550 a long time ago for rebuilding my 603 pump with th 7.5 Floyds. Nothing was mentioned, however, of tuning issues with larger elements. There must be something to it, otherwise any rebuild shop could do it right?
Russell Free
01-14-2011, 11:59 PM #164Ok let me rephrase this where can I purchase or order the M75 Floyd or 7.5 Floyds? assume this is only for the pump rework and not the injectors also??? What turbo are they using or is this with the stock assembly?? needs to spool up much faster and how much boost will this engine handle withour being hurt???
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
01-15-2011, 12:24 AM #165Contact tomnik on this forum, last I knew he was currently out of them but was ordering more. Yes its only the pump rebuild, the injectors are not a restriction. You can use the stock turbo, but you should upgrade to a bigger one with all the fuel these provide. I've heard mention of people going as high as the mid 40s with boost, but consider around 30psi to be a safe maximum. Read everything you can theres a massive amount of information out there as I found out myself
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
I have about 40 pieces of Floyd M75 left.
But I got a bit conservative due to the development with Derv.
I also made some experience with my own pump that it is not just swapping elements and adjusting something.
Also some shops jump on the job without knowing what to do.
The result is that nobody is happy at the end of the day.
Top of the story is that pumps and elements "get lost" !
Russel: the SD comes with a MW pump. Either you need MW elements or you go for a 5 cyl. M pump.
For the second option I recommend to use a turbo governor on this originally N/A pump to avoid external ALDA and black smoke.
The custom MW elements are 6.5mm "Holly".
There is one set of 5 already in the US because a shop in Texas refused to install them for some reason (for details send a pm).
Tom
Hi,
I have about 40 pieces of Floyd M75 left.
But I got a bit conservative due to the development with Derv.
I also made some experience with my own pump that it is not just swapping elements and adjusting something.
Also some shops jump on the job without knowing what to do.
The result is that nobody is happy at the end of the day.
Top of the story is that pumps and elements "get lost" !
Russel: the SD comes with a MW pump. Either you need MW elements or you go for a 5 cyl. M pump.
For the second option I recommend to use a turbo governor on this originally N/A pump to avoid external ALDA and black smoke.
The custom MW elements are 6.5mm "Holly".
There is one set of 5 already in the US because a shop in Texas refused to install them for some reason (for details send a pm).
Tom
(01-15-2011, 03:21 AM)tomnik Hi,
I have about 40 pieces of Floyd M75 left.
But I got a bit conservative due to the development with Derv.
I also made some experience with my own pump that it is not just swapping elements and adjusting something.
Also some shops jump on the job without knowing what to do.
The result is that nobody is happy at the end of the day.
Top of the story is that pumps and elements "get lost" !
Russel: the SD comes with a MW pump. Either you need MW elements or you go for a 5 cyl. M pump.
For the second option I recommend to use a turbo governor on this originally N/A pump to avoid external ALDA and black smoke.
The custom MW elements are 6.5mm "Holly".
There is one set of 5 already in the US because a shop in Texas refused to install them for some reason (for details send a pm).
Tom
Russell Free
01-15-2011, 10:55 AM #167(01-15-2011, 03:21 AM)tomnik Hi,
I have about 40 pieces of Floyd M75 left.
But I got a bit conservative due to the development with Derv.
I also made some experience with my own pump that it is not just swapping elements and adjusting something.
Also some shops jump on the job without knowing what to do.
The result is that nobody is happy at the end of the day.
Top of the story is that pumps and elements "get lost" !
Russel: the SD comes with a MW pump. Either you need MW elements or you go for a 5 cyl. M pump.
For the second option I recommend to use a turbo governor on this originally N/A pump to avoid external ALDA and black smoke.
The custom MW elements are 6.5mm "Holly".
There is one set of 5 already in the US because a shop in Texas refused to install them for some reason (for details send a pm).
Tom
What happend to David Blair?
squirrelmaster
01-20-2011, 07:46 PM #168so how many people have gave there pump to dave and are waiting? how many pumps has he finished?
What happend to David Blair?
(01-20-2011, 07:46 PM)squirrelmaster so how many people have gave there pump to dave and are waiting? how many pumps has he finished?
What happend to David Blair?
I have a MW pump getting Toms 6.5mm elements installed. No word yet from them on progress. My pump was sent to them I think about the same week as yours?
Not sure how many pumps have been finished, other than RD's pump.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
(01-20-2011, 07:46 PM)squirrelmaster so how many people have gave there pump to dave and are waiting? how many pumps has he finished?
What happend to David Blair?
I have a MW pump getting Toms 6.5mm elements installed. No word yet from them on progress. My pump was sent to them I think about the same week as yours?
Not sure how many pumps have been finished, other than RD's pump.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Russell Free
01-21-2011, 07:56 PM #170I assume the Monark 314 nozzles are for the injectors? The turbo stuff is easy and the 6.5s ging to try here locally
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Yeah, the 314 nozzles are for the injectors. I put the Monark 265 in my car and in my brothers car (c12h23). The 265's worked like a champ in both cars. His injectors were pretty shot, and mine were just to upgrade. c12h23 is still rocking the 265's, I upgraded to the 314's in search of more power. Didn't seem to do much, but I still have the stock maxed out pump for now. My theory is, they will allow more fuel per injection stroke vs the stock or even 265 nozzles.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Russell Free
01-21-2011, 11:47 PM #172Ok now now another question since I live in South Texas where can I purchase these parts? The 6.5 elemants and the 314 nozzles? the exhaust is already done and looking at a T3 turbo upgrade those are easily aquired here. The other parts knowone has heard of around here is there a website to order from?
(01-21-2011, 11:47 PM)Russell Free The other parts knowone has heard of around here is there a website to order from?
I just ordered some Monark Nozzles from Sean Watts at Hessian imports (hessianimports@bellsouth.net). He quoted me the best price I found anywhere.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
(01-21-2011, 11:47 PM)Russell Free The other parts knowone has heard of around here is there a website to order from?
I just ordered some Monark Nozzles from Sean Watts at Hessian imports (hessianimports@bellsouth.net). He quoted me the best price I found anywhere.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
squirrelmaster
01-22-2011, 08:15 AM #174I just want my Pump injectors and the fucking m75s back finished or not why is dave and scott just farts in the wind!!!!!
(01-22-2011, 12:48 AM)casioqv(01-21-2011, 11:47 PM)Russell Free The other parts knowone has heard of around here is there a website to order from?
I just ordered some Monark Nozzles from Sean Watts at Hessian imports (hessianimports@bellsouth.net). He quoted me the best price I found anywhere.
Russell Free
01-22-2011, 08:44 AM #175Thnak you I wil look them up I will be using the 6.5s on my pump loking for a good mid upgrade!
(01-22-2011, 12:48 AM)casioqv(01-21-2011, 11:47 PM)Russell Free The other parts knowone has heard of around here is there a website to order from?
I just ordered some Monark Nozzles from Sean Watts at Hessian imports (hessianimports@bellsouth.net). He quoted me the best price I found anywhere.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
I have used the Monark 265 with good success. Currently running Monark 314 nozzles, also with good success. I've purchased 3 sets from MercedesSource with no problems. I'm hoping the 314's help get more fuel injected when the 6.5 elements are done. I hadn't heard of Hessian Imports, so I have nothing to report on them. MS is just a few hours up the road from me, so shipping was super quick and cheap.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
(01-22-2011, 12:48 AM)casioqv I just ordered some Monark Nozzles from Sean Watts at Hessian imports (hessianimports@bellsouth.net). He quoted me the best price I found anywhere.I also got my 265's from him installed in VW AAZ injectors- two sets actually. I think they are great.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
(01-22-2011, 12:48 AM)casioqv I just ordered some Monark Nozzles from Sean Watts at Hessian imports (hessianimports@bellsouth.net). He quoted me the best price I found anywhere.I also got my 265's from him installed in VW AAZ injectors- two sets actually. I think they are great.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
![[Image: nozzles_265_vs_314.jpg]](http://www.w124performance.com/docs/Bosch/nozzles_265_vs_314.jpg)
I wouldn't expect any more fuel to be delivered by the 314 nozzles. The pintle is slightly smaller diameter (5mm instead of 6mm, or something like that) and the facet depth is reduced, but that's about it. MB says it improves idle quality (see below). I'm running the 314's in my car too but didn't notice any real difference compared to the 265's.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Thats good info gsxr, thanks! I didn't feel any difference from 265 to 314 either. I put the 314's in with the hopes that they will inject just a touch more fuel per stroke than the 265's when my 6.5mm pump is done. I still have my spare set of injectors with the 265's in them. If I have the spare time and money when the pump is done, I may talk to the dyno shop I use about doing a back to back test with the 265 vs 314 nozzles.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
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